CIA Confesses to Kennedy Assassination
by Marita Lorenz
Trial Testimony by Deposition Under Oath of CIA agent Marita Lorenz
From the Defamation Trial of E. Howard Hunt vs. Liberty Lobby
United States District Court for Southern District of Florida,
January 1985
What follows is the ultimate indictment of E. Howard Hunt and
other Operation 40 CIA (AKA Operation Zapata, AKA Bay of Pigs
Invasion) agents for the murder of John Kennedy. That not one
media representative present at the trial dared print a single word
indicts media as being Shadow controlled. That this same
testimony was given to FBI within days of the assassination is an
indictment of the Justice Department as being Shadow controlled.
That the judge presiding over the trial did not order follow-up
investigation or indictments for murder is an indictment of the
court system as being Shadow controlled. That the same testimony
was given the Rockefeller Commission
(CFR/Bilderberger/TriLateralist) House Select Committee on
Assassinations and nothing was done with the information is an
indictment of Congressional oversight as being Shadow controlled.
Beyond the virtual confession, it is clear that what is taking place
here is that CIA (not only by virtue of the testimony, but also by
virtue of CIA directed cross questioning by defense which seemed
deliberately designed to maximize damage and bring out the facts)
is hanging Hunt and select other CIA out to dry, "twisting in the
wind". This is likely a means of neutralizing and punishing him for
his blackmail of CIA -- a move made safer by virtue of having
captured the cartons of evidence from flight 553 after its "crash" on
schedule and on target where 50 "FBI" agents awaited it (a grand
conspiracy worthy of further investigation on its own right).
I strongly suggest you read Mark Lane's chilling work, Plausible
Denial, from which this material was first made public.
Note: Shadow is this author's name for what
Daniel Sheenan of the Christic Institute describes as the Secret
Team, those elements of CIA and the military-industrial-
intelligence complex which seek to serve an agenda other than
national security. Shadow is the central villian in Fatal Rebirth, a
prophetic glimpse of what lies ahead based on the revelations of the
would-be secret past -- with over 500 foot notes and an Appendix
section which is itself book sized. Fatal Rebirth was born amid a
007 adventure forced on the author when he came into possession
of a document someone in the intelligence world took strong
exception to -- a document detailing many sins of intel and their
true masters within the secret government. Analysis and
investigation was undertaken in self defense, an effort soon joined
by several former intel operatives and at least one "Deep Throat"
from within the enemy camp. This revealed much about who and
why, and provided the puzzle pieces needed to make sence of it all.
Publisher interest welcomed.
Deposition as follows:
Q. What is your present employment?
A. I do undercover work for an intelligence agency.
Q. Are you permitted to discuss the nature of that work, or where
you work?
A. I am not.
Q. Is it also true that, as I have stipulated, you do not wish to give
your home address?
A. No, I do not.
Q. Have you been employed by the Central Intelligence Agency?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss the details of that employment?
A. No.
Q. Have you been employed by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss that?
A. No.
Q. Have you been employed by the New York Police Department?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that intelligence work?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you at liberty to discuss the details of that work?
A. No.
Q. During 1978, did you appear as a witness before the United
States House of Representatives Select Committee on
Assassinations?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that in relation to the assassination of President John F.
Kennedy?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you appear as a witness after the chief judge of the United
States district court of Washington had signed an offer conferring
immunity upon you and compelling you to testify?
A. Yes.
Q. During and prior to November 1963, did you live in Miami,
Florida?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. I want you to understand, if I ask you any question which you
are not permitted to answer, you may of course say that, but I will
try, based on my previous interview with you, to just ask you
questions which you can answer.
A. Yes.
Q. During and before November of 1963, did you work on behalf
of the Central Intelligence Agency in the Miami area?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you work with a man named Frank Sturgis, while you were
working for the CIA?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. Was that in Miami, during and prior to November 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. What other names, to your knowledge, is Frank Sturgis known
by?
A. Frank Fiorini, Hamilton, the last name, Hamilton. F-I-O-R-I-N-I.
Q. Was Mr. Fiorini or Mr. Sturgis, while you worked with him,
also employed by the Central Intelligence Agency?
A. Yes.
Q. During that time were payments made to Mr. Sturgis for the
work he was doing for the CIA?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you ever witness anyone make payments to him for the CIA
work which you and Mr. Sturgis were both involved in?
A. Yes.
Q. Who did you witness make payments to Mr. Sturgis?
A. A man by the name of Eduardo.
Q. Who is Eduardo?
A. That is his code name, the real name is E. Howard Hunt.
Q. Did you know him and meet him during and prior to November
1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you witness payments made by Mr. Hunt to Mr. Sturgis or
Mr. Fiorini on more than one occasion prior to November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you go on a trip with Mr. Sturgis from Miami during
November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. Was anyone else present with you when you went on that trip?
A. Yes.
Q. What method of transportation did you use?
A. By car.
Q. Was there one or more cars?
A. There was a follow-up car.
Q. Does that mean two cars?
A. Backup: yes.
Q. What was in the follow-up car, if you know?
A. Weapons.
Q. Without asking you any of the details regarding the activity that
you and Mr. Sturgis and Mr. Hunt were involved in, may I ask you
is some of that activity was related to the transportation of
weapons?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Mr. Hunt pay Mr. Sturgis sums of money for activity related
to the transportation of weapons?
A. Yes.
Q. Did Mr. Sturgis tell you where you would be going from Miami,
Florida, during November of 1963, prior to the time that you
traveled with him in the car?
A. Dallas, Texas.
Q. He told you that?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he tell you the purpose of the trip to Dallas, Texas?
A. No; he said it was confidential.
Q. Did you arrive in Dallas during November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. After you arrived in Dallas, did you stay at any accommodations
there?
A. Motel.
Q. While you were at that motel, did you meet anyone other than
those who were in the party traveling with you from Miami to
Dallas?
A. Yes.
Q. Who did you meet?
A. E. Howard Hunt.
Q. Was there anyone else who you saw or met other than Mr. Hunt?
A. Excuse me?
Q. Other than those?
A. Jack Ruby.
Q. Tell me the circumstance regarding your seeing E. Howard Hunt
in Dallas in November
of 1963?
A. There was a prearranged meeting that E. Howard Hunt deliver us
sums of money for the so-called operation that I did not know its
nature.
Q. Were you told what your role was to be?
A. Just a decoy at the time.
Q. Did you see Mr. Hunt actually deliver money to anyone in the
motel room which you were present in?
A. Yes.
Q. To whom did you see him deliver the money?
A. He gave an envelope of cash to Frank Fiorini.
Q. When he gave him the envelope, was the cash visible as he had it
in the envelope?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you have a chance to see the cash after the envelope was
given to Mr. Fiorini?
A. Frank pulled out the money and flipped it and counted it and
said "that is enough" and put it in his jacket.
Q. How long did Mr. Hunt remain in the room?
A. About forty-five minutes.
Q. Did anyone else enter the room other than you, Mr. Fiorini, Mr.
Hunt, and others who may have been there before Mr. Hunt arrived?
A. No.
Q. Where did you see the person you identified as Jack Ruby?
A. After Eduardo left, a fellow came to the door and it was Jack
Ruby, about an hour later, forty-five minutes to an hour later.
Q. When you say Eduardo, who are you referring to?
A. E. Howard Hunt.
Q. When did that meeting take place in terms of the hour; was it
daytime or nighttime?
A. Early evening.
Q. How soon after that evening meeting took place did you leave
Dallas?
A. I left about two hours later; Frank took me to the airport and we
went back to Miami.
Q. Now, can you tell us in relationship to the day that President
Kennedy was killed, when this meeting took place?
A. The day before.
Q. Is it your testimony that the meeting which you just described
with Mr. Hunt making the payment of money to Mr. Sturgis took
place on November 21, 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. When was the first time that you met me?
A. In 1977.
Q. On that occasion, did you tell me in words or substance exactly
the same thing that you have testified to today?
A. Yes.
Q. Two days after President Kennedy was assassinated, that is on
November 24, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was arrested and
charged with the assassination of President Kennedy and the
murder of police officer J.D. Tippit, was killed in Dallas by a man
named Jack Ruby?
A. Yes.
Q. On that occasion and subsequent to that time, did you see
pictures of Jack Ruby in the newspaper and did you see Jack Ruby
on television?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. Is it your testimony that the man who killed Lee Harvey Oswald
is, to the best
of your ability to identify him, the person who was in the room in
the motel in Dallas the night before the president was killed?
A. Yes.
Q. Had you ever seen Jack Ruby before November 21, 1963?
A. No.
Cross Examination to follow. Note: According to Liberty Lobby
lawyer, Mark Lane, Lorenze had confided outside of testimony that
she got out of Dallas quickly because "I knew that this was
different from other jobs. This was not just gun running. This was
big, very big, and I wanted to get out. I told Sturgis I wanted to
leave. He said it was a very big operation but that my part was not
dangerous. I was to be a decoy. Before he could go further, I said
please let me get out. I want to go back to my baby in Miami.
Finally he agreed and drove me to the airport." She further stated
she would not reveal the names of others in the cars going to Dallas
because "They killed Kennedy. I don't want to be the one to reveal
their names; it's too dangerous."
However, it would seem apparent that perhaps the agency no longer
wished to provide Hunt with any level of protection -- perhaps
because they did not like being blackmailed. The evidence for this
conclusion lies in the additional information volunteered during
cross examination which Mark Lane was unable to obtain himself.
Since Lorenz had been coached by CIA council who also worked
with Hunt's CIA sponsored council, it would appear that perhaps
the CIA vested interest council was working against Hunt, rather
than for him. In fact, Hunt's whole problem of being accused of
being in Dallas surfaced only because former CIA agent Victor
Marchetti claimed in 1978 Hunt was in Dallas and Liberty Lobby
dared to publish the story. As you read, note how both the lawyer
and Lorenz tend to volunteer or bring out information more than
called for, and how nothing in the cross examination aids the
defense or nullifies earlier testimony. Defense would have been
better off not to challenge the witness. It would seem a deliberate
confession.
It should also be pointed out that Lorenz says she was inducted
into CIA in 1959, and that apparently she and Frank Sturgis
worked together early on -- suggesting that even when she was
supposedly working for the New York Police Department and the
DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration). If true, this would make
her and Sturgis illegal in-place CIA operatives within the DEA and
NYPD -- likely working under CIA Operation Phoenix assassin
king, Lou Conein (founding leader of DEA), to help eliminate drug
lords not under CIA control or being supplied by CIA, and to
protect CIA conduits and suppliers, the true purpose of the "War on
Drugs".
Transcript continues:
Q. Is it your testimony today, that today's testimony is consistent
with what you said before the House Select Committee?
A. That's right.
Q. When was the first time you met Howard Hunt?
A. 1960, in Miami, Florid
A.
Q. How was he identified to you?
A. Introduced. Introduced as Eduardo.
Q. How do you spell that?
A. E-D-U-A-R-D-O, Eduardo, E-D-U-A-R-D-O. He was to finance
the operations in Miami.
Q. What language did he speak to you in?
A. English and Spanish.
Q. English and Spanish?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you speak Spanish?
A. Yes.
Q. Any other languages?
A. German.
Q. When is it that you became aware that this person you know as
Eduardo was E. Howard Hunt?
A. About the same time. Eduardo was the name we were to refer to
him as, when discussing things.
Q. Who did you believe he was working for at that time?
A. CIA.
Q. Why?
Note: Portions of testimony were compressed at this point by Mark
Lane in order to make a particular point. Liberty is taken here to
represent it as faithfully as possible to his description without
having to quote several pages of his work. Please see Plausible
Denial for the full story. Normal transcript follows after this
summary of combined answers.
A. Because we were all at that time CIA members of Operation 40.
We had been given instructions from Eduardo and had certain
rights and permissions to do things that the average citizen could
not do... I will tell you what is on record. I stole secrets from
Cuba... I was trained to kill. Anything else?
Normal transcript resumes:
Q.132 Please provide at least one additional name of a person
accompanying you in the car trip to Dallas in November.
A. The other one was Jerry Patrick --
Q. Jerry Patrick?
A. Hemming.
Q. Is that, H-E-M-M-I-N-G?
A.132 Yes. Two Cuban brothers named Novis and a pilot named
Pedro Diaz Lanz were also in the caravan.
Q. Did you see the weapons in the second car?
A. Yes.
Q. What kind of weapons were there?
A. Handguns and automatics.
Q. Could you identify for me today what kind of guns they were,
specifically?
A. Rifles; there were cases of machine guns, rifles, thirty-eights,
forty-fives.
Q. Have you been trained in firearms?
A. Yes.
Q. What were the kind of rifles that were there?
A. M-16s. M-1s, shotguns; several.
Q. There were machine guns?
A. Yes.
Q. In your work for the CIA Operation 40, was that one of the
major tasks you undertook was to transport guns?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that for the anti-Cuba activities?
A. Yes, it was.
Q. What happened to those guns when you got to Dallas?
A. They were in the XX he car and I presume they took them to the
motel the net day, the next night. A lot of things they carried in.
Q. Where did you leave from?
A. From the house in Miami.
Q. Is that a CIA house?
A. A safe house. Yes.
Q. Did everyone meet at the same place?
A. Yes.
Q. Who else was at the house, besides the seven people you
identified?
A. This fellow is incarcerated; it is not fair to answer. Another
fellow is dead.
Q. Incarcerated where?
A. Out of the country, right now, Venezuela somewhere.
Q. Is his name Bosch?
A. Yes.
Q. What is his first name?
A. Orlando.
Q. Was he one of the anti-Castro Cubans involved in Operation
40?
A. Yes.
Q. Isn't that a matter of public record?
A. Yes.
Q. Who was the person at the house that is now deceased?
A. Alexander Rorke, Jr.
Q. Is he a CIA employee?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you do after you got to New York and found out that
President Kennedy was just assassinated in Dallas?
A. Talked to the FBI.
Q. You talked to the FBI?
A. Yes.
Q. Voluntarily?
A. They wanted to talk to me anyway about certain things with my
child's father and they picked me up and took me to the office.
Q. What day would that have been?
A. A few days after I arrived, after everyone got over the initial
shock.
Q. It would be some time in the month of November of 1963?
A. Yes.
Q. In your discussions with the FBI, they inquired about your
activities which related to Dallas and this group of seven people
that took the car trip?
A. Well, they discussed my associates down there and my
relationship with my daughter's father, mostly.
Q Did they know the names of the people you took the car trip
with, from Miami to Dallas?
A. Yes.
Q. Did they ask you about each of those people?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you tell them about the guns and money and about
Eduardo?
A. Yes.
Q. I will have to start again because the court reporter cannot take
nods down.
A. I was nodding, yes, to each.
Q. What was your answer?
A. They asked me about everything, my daughter's father, and I am
glad I am back up here away from that.
Q. You told them about Eduardo?
A. Yes.
Q. And the guns?
A. They know about all those associations. They didn't want to go
into it. Those were CIA activities, not FBI.
Q. Did you ever talk with Frank Sturgis about it, since then?
A. We are not an talking terms, Frank and I.
Q. That was not my question. Have you ever talked about it with
Frank Sturgis since 1963?
A. Yes.
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