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Partial transcript of Phyledelphia Experiment Navy
BE ADVISED: UNDER THE REVISED FEDERAL
FELONY ESPIONAGE LAWS OF 1987, IT IS A
FELONY TO TALK ABOUT EITHER THE
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT OR OF THE
USS ELDERIDGE ON A NAVY BASE.
THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENTS
Transcribed by SERGIO HERNANDEZ
(excerpts taken from a live radio
broadcast on Art Bell's program from Las
Vegas, June, 1993. Interview with: AL
BIELECH (upper case), Lower case type is
Art Bell.
... that was available at that time
before nuclear power, like for the
particle beam weapon..
UMMMH..NO,...IT DOESN'T USE THAT MUCH
POWER, IT'S JUST HIGH VOLTAGE, ONE
HUNDRED MILLION VOLTS FOR A FULL SCALE
SYSTEM, LESSER VOLTS FOR A SMALLER
SYSTEM. NOW IT DID NOT REQUIRE HIGH
POWER OR AMPERAGE,
JUST A MINOR AMOUNT OF POWER TO RUN THE
PULSE. THERE WERE SKETCHES OF 2 TUBES
WHERE ONE WAS EVACUATED AND ANOTHER
CHARGE LOADED AND TRANSFERRED ON A
CONTINUOUS BASIS, OR CONTINUALLY
EVACUATED. THAT WAS JUST ONE PROJECT,
THEY WORKED ON A DEATH RAY AT WHITE
SANDS PROVING GROUNDS IN 1938-39. AS A
MATTER OF FACT I HAD THOSE NOTES UNTIL
THEY WERE TAKEN AWAY BY FEDERAL SECURITY
AGENTS.
NOW DUNCAN, MY BROTHER, LEFT RCA AND
HAD MORE TIME TO WORK
FOR THIS PROJECT AND ON HIS OWN
LABORATORY WORK BECAUSE HE WAS STILL
VERY ACTIVE. IN 1940 THERE WAS
A SUCESSFUL TEST OF THE BEAM WEAPON,
THERE AFTERWARDS, HE WENT ON TO PREPARE
THE BATTLESHIP FOR THE INVISIBILITY
EXPERIMENTS.
IN 1941 THE NAVY TAPPED ME ON THE
SHOULDER AND SAID IT'S TIME TO FIND OUT
WHAT THE NAVY IS ALL ABOUT AND THEY SENT
US TO SEA FOR A YEAR.
WE WERE ASSIGNED TO THE USS
PENNSYLVANIA. FROM JAN 1941 TO OCTOBER
WE WERE ALL OVER THE PACIFIC. THE
PENNSYLVANIA CAME
INTO DRY DOCK AFTERWARDS FOR AN OVERHAUL
IN PEARL HARBOUR. IT'S A MATTER OF
PUBLIC RECORD, YOU CAN CHECK, WE WERE ON
LIBERTY LEAVE. WE WENT TO SAN FRANCISCO
AND WERE TO RETURN TO PEARL HARBOUR
AFTER 4 DAYS BUT IT WAS EXPLAINED AT THE
NAVAL STATION AT ALAMEDA BY OUR CAPTAIN
THAT OUR LEAVE WAS CANCELLED.
WE WERE TAKEN TO A ROOM AND INTERVIEWED
BY THEN THE DIRECTOR; HAL BOWEN SR., AND
HE TOLD US THAT WE EXPECT THE JAPANESE
TO ATTACK PEARL HARBOUR IN LESS THAN 2
HRS. AND BECAUSE OF THIS WE WOULD NOT BE
SENT BACK THERE.
WE RETURNED TO THE INSTITUTE IN 1942,
TO THE PROJECT AND PREPARATIONS WERE
WELL UNDER WAY FOR THE BATTLESHIP TEST,
OF COURSE PEARL HARBOUR ON DECEMBER 7th
WAS HISTORY.
TURNBULL WAS HAVING CONSIDERABLE
MISGIVINGS AT
THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WERE DEALING WITH
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS OF HIGH POWER OR
ELECTROMAGNETIC POWER AND THERE COULD BE
DAMAGE TO LIVING CELLS.
THE EQUIPMENT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE
DECK WITH VERY POWERFUL ROTATING
MAGNETIC FIELDS. ANY PERSONNEL THAT
WERE TO BE ON DECK WOULD BE EXPOSED TO
THEM AND IT WAS EXPECTED, THERE WAS TO
BE SERIOUS PROBLEMS.
...ATTAINED TO A PULSED TRAIN
YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, OF COURSE A
PULSED OUTPUT OR A SQUARE WAVE OUTPUT,
YOU HAVE MANY MORE FREQUENCIES THAN THE
FUNDAMENTAL. NOW THAT WAS ONLY PART OF
THE PROBLEM, THE OTHER ASPECT IS THAT IN
HIGH FREQUENCY ELECTRIC FIELDS OR
RF-FIELDS, THESE WILL ALSO EFFECT THE
BODY AND THE BRAIN IF ITS AT THE RIGHT
FREQUENCIES.
THE JAPANESE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS
DURING WW II, ... oh no, absolutely, in
fact at high enough frequencies you
literally cook as
you would in a microwave oven.
THAT'S TRUE, AND THERE ARE FREQUENCIES
THAT EFFECT THE MIND AND THE BRAIN, AND
THE EFFECTS ON THE NEUROLOGICAL SYSTEM
IS NOT AT THE LEVEL OF RF?HEATING, WHICH
WAS THE OLD STANDARD IN THE UNITED
STATES. IN CONCERN, THE RUSSIANS HAVE
LONG SINCE LEARNED BETTER.
AT THE TIME, 1/10 OF A WATT OR
ONE HUNDRED MILLI WATT, PER SQUARE INCH
WAS CONSIDERED THE THRESHOLD OF HEATING
OF HUMAN TISSUE. THIS WAS CONSIDERED
THE DANGER POINT, AND NO CONSIDERATION
WAS GIVEN TO THE BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF
MUCH WEAKER FIELDS OVER LONG OR THE
SHORT TERM.
THIS IS KNOWN DATA AS PER THE
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, THE AFTERMATH
AND ALL THE STUDIES WHICH WERE MADE
SUBSEQUENT TO THE DISASTER.
Now I don't want to get too technical
on everybody here Al, but I would be
interested, what kind of frequency range
are you talking about when you say
window frequencies?
WINDOW FREQUENCIES IN TERMS
OF THE HUMAN BRAIN AND MAGNETIC
RESPONSES ARE DEALING WITH FREQUENCIES
TYPICALLY BELOW 30 HZ.
WITHIN THE RF?RANGE, HIGH FREQUENCIES,
TYPICALLY AROUND 450 MHZ, WILL RESONATE
THE BRAIN, DEPENDING ON THE CAVITY OF
THE HUMAN HEAD, AND AROUND
500MHZ-1000MHZ, WHICH GETS INTO THE
RANGE OF THE CELLULAR PHONE, CAN DO EVEN
WORSE DAMAGE.
THAT WAS A SIDE CONCERN WHEN DOING THE
EXPERIMENT ON THE USS ELDERIDGE, KASLO
KNEW THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF POWER
INVOLVED, THERE WOULD BE SERIOUS
PROBLEMS WITH THE NAVY PERSONNEL
ONBOARD. HE WENT TO THE NAVY AND ASKED
FOR AN EXTENSION OF TIME AND BEING
CERTAIN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, WAS TOLD
THE USUAL ANSWER AT THAT TIME,... "THERE
WAS A WAR ON AND YOU HAVE A TEST DATE,
MEET IT."
HE HAD THE CHOICE OF GOING AHEAD,
HOPING FOR THE BEST, OR AS HE DID
CHOOSE, DETUNING THE EQUIPMENT, AND
SABOTAGING THE TEST SO NOTHING HAPPENED
AND NOBODY WAS HURT.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TEST OF A BIG SHIP
AND ALSO ALTERED HIS IMPECCABLE CAREER.
SHORTLY THEREAFTER HE BOWED OUT OF THE
PROGRAM, SAID, "SORRY GENTLEMAN, THE
TEST IS A FAILURE, 'I HAVE OTHER THINGS
TO DO AND I'M LEAVING THIS PROJECT."
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE LEFT
VOLUNTARILY OR HAD ASSISTANCE FROM THE
NAVY BECAUSE HE LEFT THE PROJECT RATHER
QUICKLY, AND NOT VERY LONG AFTER THAT,
THIS WAS MARCH 1942, ON JANUARY 7th OF
1943, HE DIED IN A AUTOMOBILE CRASH.
WHEN HE SEPARATED FROM THE PROJECT, IT
WAS TURNED OVER TO DR. J. NANOIMAN WHO
THEN BECAME THE DIRECTOR.
NOW NANOIMAN LOOKED AT IT, AND TOLD THE
NAVY, "I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WENT
WRONG". IT WASN'T LONG AFTER COMING
ONBOARD THE PROJECT THAT HE DID DISCOVER
THE REASON FOR THE FAILED FIRST TEST,
BUT HE DECIDED TO AVAIL HIMSELF WITH THE
TIME GRANTED AND TO REDESIGN THE
EQUIPMENT. HE WENT IN A DIFFERENT
DIRECTION, UNLIKE TASWAY WHO WAS AN
ANALOG MAN WHO LIKED TO USE CONTINUOUS
WAVES WITH SPECIAL MODULATION WAVE
FORMS, NANOIMAN WAS A MAN WHO LIKED TO
DO PULSED WORK, IN OTHER WORDS, PULSE
THE SYSTEM WITH ENERGY AS YOU WOULD
RADAR, AND HE REDISIGNED THE EQUIPMENT
FOR THAT INITIAL PURPOSE.
THE BASIC MATHEMATICAL APPROACH WAS THE
USE OF A ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD OUTSIDE
OF A ROTATING ELECTRIC FIELD, BOTH
COUNTERCLOCKWISE. THE EQUIPMENT DESIGN
INVOLVED SOME CHANGES PARTICULARILY,
UPPING THE POWER.
NANOIMAN WENT UP TO A 2 MEGA WATT
BOOSTER ON EACH TRANSMITTER OF 160MHZ
(AM), WHICH WAS HIGH FREQUENCY IN THOSE
DAYS, BUT DEFINITELY WITHIN THE REALM OF
CAPABILITY BECAUSE RADAR WAS FUNCTIONAL
IN THAT FREQUENCY RANGE. DURING THAT
TIME, THEY
WERE RUNNING AT STILL HIGHER
FREQUENCIES.
...you say 160 MHZ at 2 MEGAWATTS...oh
my gosh..That's VHF... A frequency
typically used for 2?way communications,
police are a little lower, but it's in
that area..
IN THOSE DAYS IT WAS IN THE RADAR RANGE
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO TO 400 MHZ RANGE
FOR RADAR UNTIL AFTER THE WAR WAS
OVER...AND THAT WAS IN SO FAR AS THE
RF?TRANSMITTERS WERE CONCERNED, 4 OF
THEM, FEEDING A SPECIAL QUADRA PHASE
ANTENNA, AS SPEAKING OF THE FINAL DESIGN
FOR THE ELDERIDGE.
THE ANTENNA WAS DESIGNED BY
T. TOWNSEND BROWN. HE HAD BEEN PULLED
INTO THE NAVY IN 1938 TO WORK ON ANOTHER
PROBLEM, NAMELY THE GERMAN MAGNETIC
MINES. HE WAS ALSO AN RF-MAN AND THERE
HE MADE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PROJECT.
IN THE SPRING MONTHS OF 1942, DR
NANOIMAN DECIDED THAT HE WANTED A SHIP
WHICH WAS DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP
FOR THESE TESTS. IN JULY OF THAT YEAR HE
WENT TO THE SHIP BUILDING YARDS WHICH
WERE NOT FAR FROM PHILADELPHIA, PICKED A
NUMBER OFF THE DRAWING BOARD, GE173, AND
GAVE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW HE WANTED THE
SHIP MODIFIED, NAMELY, NOT TO FINISH THE
INTERIOR OF THE SHIP, BUT TO LEAVE IT
GUTTED, PUT 2 RAILS ALONG THE BOTTOM,
AND LEAVE ONE GUN TURRET UNFINISHED SO
THEY COULD DROP IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
IN THE CASE OF A BATTLE SHIP, TRYING TO
OUTFIT IT WITHOUT DESIGN? ING IT FROM
THE GROUND UP, MEANS THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT
WOULD BE ON THE DECK. WHAT HE WANTED
INSTEAD WAS 2 LARGE GENERATORS FOR THE
FORWARD TESLA COILS BURIED IN THE GUTS
OF THE SHIP. THEY WERE 75 GVA, EACH
DRIVEN BY A 750 HP MOTOR. WITH 2 RIGHT
ANGLE GEAR BOX DRIVES ...AND THATS SOME
PRETTY HEAVY EQUIPMENT. THAT ALL WENT
IN THE HOLD OF THE SHIP ALONG WITH THE
GEOCENTRIC GENERATORS, WHICH SUPPLIED
POWER FOR THIS SYSTEM, THAT WAS AN 8
MEGAWATT MONSTER. ALL THIS WAS TOTALLY
SEPARATE FROM THE SHIPS POWER.
THE SHIP CAME DOWN THE WAYS IN
SEPTEMBER OF '42, WENT INTO DRY DOCK,
THERE THEY PUT THE TEST EQUIPMENT
ONBOARD THE SHIP. THEN IN DECEMBER OF
'42, IT WENT INTO THE PHILADELPHIA NAVY
YARD'S INTERIOR SECTION WHERE THE
CLASSIFIED WORK HAPPENED AND THE REST OF
THE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT WAS INSTALLED.
I wish to stop you for a second so that
I can understand the layout of the
fields again. You've got an RF-field I
take it first,...
YES, THERE ARE SPECIAL MASTS ONTOP OF
THE HIGHEST MAST AT MIDSHIP, AND THIS,
WHEN POWERED UP, PRODUCED A ROTATING
ELECTRIC FIELD BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN
PRINCIPALS OF THE REST OF ELECTRONIC
EQUIPMENT.
THE FIELD WAS PROVIDED BY 4
TRANSMITTERS, EACH WERE PULSED AT
SPECIAL PULSE RATES, WHICH IS PART OF
THE WHOLE SYSTEM, AND A LOT OF
ELECTRONICS WHICH PRECEEDED IT.
NOW IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAD 4
LARGE CONICAL TESLA COILS, NOT THE FULL
BLOWN TYPES WHICH ONE IS FAMILIAR WITH
TODAY, WITH A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY,
BUT A
SINGLE COIL WHICH WAS WOUND IN A CONICAL
SHAPE, NARROW AT THE TOP, WIDE AT THE
BASE. ESSENTIALLY IT WAS 1"INCH COPPER
TUBING, HOLLOW AND COOLED, AND THERE WAS
A SINGLE TURN LIKE A SPIRAL EXPANDING,
THAT WAS FED AT THE
TOP AND THE BOTTOM BY TWO LARGE
GENERATORS.
THERE WERE TWO OUTPUTS FROM EACH
GENERATOR, AND THESE WERE PHASED DUE TO
THE REST OF THE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT, SO
THAT
YOU HAD A ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD
BECAUSE OF THE PHASING OF THE GENERATORS
AND ASSOCIATED ELECTRONICS.
THESE 4 COILS WERE PLACED ON
THE DECK OF THE ELDERIDGE, 2 WERE
FORWARD AND 2 WERE AFTSHIP, AND
OF COURSE STARBOARD/PORT, SYMETRICALLY
ARRANGED AROUND THE ANTENNA.
THE ANTENNA'S WERE DRIVEN WITH VERY
HIGH CURRENT PULSES, AT A CERTAIN RATE,
APPROXIMATELY A 10% DUTY CYCLE, AT
FREQUENCIES SO THAT YOU WOUND UP WITH A
ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD, AND THIS
ROTATING FIELD WAS OUTSIDE OF THE
ELECTRICAL FIELD IN ESSENCE.
THEY WERE BOTH ROTATING AT DIFFERENT
FREQUENCIES, IN SYNCRONIZATION TO EACH
OTHER, ONE WAS TWICE THE RATE OF THE
OTHER. THEY WERE BOTH TIED
MATHEMATICALLY SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE
ROTATING RATE TO WHAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL
NUMBER FOR EVERYTHING ON THIS
PLANET,PI/2 OR (1.570796327). NOW THIS
OF COURSE WAS IN THE FINAL EMBODIMENT OF
THE EQUIPMENT.
THE SHIP HAD TO BE OUTFITTED WITH
ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT
WENT WITH IT. DUNCAN AND I WERE ON THE
PROJECT FROM JANUARY 1942 ONWARD AND WE
SAW THE FAILURE OF THE FIRST BATTLESHIP
TEST, WE SAW THE
WHOLE PROCEDURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THE ELDERIDGE, WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS
CALLED GE173. UNTIL THE SHIP WAS
CHRISTENED IN AUGUST 1943.
NOW WITH THE OUTFITTING OF THE SHIP,
THERE WAS A LOT OF TESTING AND SOME
OTHER PROBLEMS, OF COURSE THEY NEVER
TESTED THE FULL SYSTEM UNTIL IT WAS OUT
IN THE HARBOUR. THE DESIGN TEAM
REQUESTED AND THE NAVY CONCURRED TO HAVE
A SPECIAL VOLUNTEER TEST CREW. ON THE
FINAL TEST THERE WERE 15 SAILORS AND
ABOUT 6 OFFICERS FOR THE TWO TESTS OF
THE ELDERIDGE, THAT INCLUDING DUNCAN AND
MYSELF.
WE WERE TRAINED TO RUN THE EQUIPMENT IN
THE HOLD, WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY A
CONTROL ROOM ON THE SURFACE OF THE SHIP,
BEHIND CLOSED STEEL DOORS/BULKHEADS.
So you weren't able to see out onto the
deck?
NOT WITH THE BULKHEAD DOOR CLOSED WHICH
WAS THE NORMAL PROCEDURE WHILE OPERATING
THE EQUIPMENT.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PRELIMINARY
TESTS PRECEEDING
THE FINAL TEST AND NANOIMAN STARTED TO
GET THE SHAKES ABOUT THE POSSIBLE
EFFECTS TO PERSONNEL. FROM MARCH OF
1943,
HE DECIDED TO ADD A THIRD GENERATOR TO
PRODUCE A COUNTER FIELD BUT THAT IT
NEVER WORKED PROPERLY WHERE TO REMAIN
SYNCRONIZED WITH THE OTHER TWO. THIS
WAS NEEDED IN NANOIMAN'S MIND TO PROVIDE
SOME SORT OF PROTECTION TO THE EFFECTS
OF THE OTHER MAIN FIELD TO THE
PERSONNEL. THE SYSTEM NEVER WORKED, IT
ONLY SUCCEEDED IN ZAPPING A TECHNICIAN
WHO WAS WORKING WITH US IN THE CONTROL
ROOM.
He was going to try and nullify the
field in a certain area?
CORRECT, IT DIDN'T WORK AND
CONSEQUENTLY ABANDONED THE THIRD
GENERATOR AND WENT BACK TO THE TWO
GENERATOR APPROACH AND THE SHIP
ESSENTIALLY WAS READY FOR TESTS IN JULY
1943. NOW WHILE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT WAS
ABOARD THE ELDERIDGE THERE WAS
PRELIMINNARY TESTS AND WE WERE
THOROUGHLY INSTRUCTED AND READIED IN
PROCEDURES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND IN THOSE DAYS THERE WERE NO
COMPUTERS. EVERYTHING WAS MANUALLY RUN.
THE CONCERN AT THAT TIME WAS TO PRODUCE
A FIELD OF INVISIBILITY WHICH WOULD BE
BOTH OPTICAL AND RADAR INVISIBLE. IT'S
ONLY AN EXTENSION OF ONE OR THE OTHER,
BECAUSE THE OPTICAL HIGH FREQUENCIES
HAVE A MUCH HIGHER ELECTROMAGNETIC
FREQUECY THAN RADAR, RADAR WAS RUNNING
AT 160-200 MHZ. (THE COMPUTER WAS
INVENTED BY NANOIMAN AT A LATER DATE AND
IS IN THE HALL OF THE SMITHSONIAN
INSTITUTE).
IN 1943 WE HAD VERY GOOD RADAR,
DEVELOPED IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO THE WAR,
THOUGH MOSTLY UNKNOWN UNTIL 1941?42.
so for twenty minutes this ship
disappeared, where did it go?
IT DIDN'T GO ANY WHERE, IT WAS STILL
THERE IN THE HARBOUR,
AT THE TIME OF THE TEST THE
SYSTEM WAS STARTED UP AND AS THE
GENERATORS CAME UP TO FULL SPEED, A
GREEN HAZE ENVELOPED THE SHIP. THE SHIP
WAS CLOUDED IN A TRANSLUCENT REFLECTIVE
FIELD. THE SHIP MAINTAINED IT'S PLACE
IN THE HARBOUR, BUT LEFT AN IMPRESSION
OF IT'S PHYSICAL MASS ON THE OCEAN.
THE FIELD WAS OUT FROM THE
SHIP A FAIR DISTANCE. A TEST WAS
PERFORMED WHERE WE HAD SOME? BODY COME
BY IN A LAUNCH TO SEE IF THEY COULD
TOUCH THE HULL OF THE SHIP. THEY WERE A
LITTLE BIT FAR AWAY, BUT WHAT THEY FOUND
WAS A VISCOUS LIKE RESISTANT FIELD,
WHICH THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR HAND UP TO
THEIR ELBOW INTO IT. THE FIELD WAS
RESISTING ANY ATTEMPT TO PENETRATE IT.
WE WERE GENERATING A FIELD WITH A VERY
UNUSUAL NATURE AND THAT FIELD WAS
OUTSIDE THE SHIP A FAIR DISTANCE,
DEPENDING ON THE POWER, AND ACTUALLY
WHAT YOU HAD WAS A TORROIDAL FIELD. THE
TORROIDAL FIELD WAS ROTATING, BUT IT WAS
ALSO BISECTED ACROSS THE DOUGHNUT OF IT,
LIKE IF YOU WERE TO SLICE THE DOUGHNUT
IN HALF, ACROSS THE FULL DIAMETER, ONE
HALF OF THE FIELD WAS ABOVE THE WATER
LINE, THE OTHER HALF OF THE FIELD WAS
BELOW THE WATER LINE. THIS PRODUCED A
VERY UNUSUAL EFFECT BECAUSE THE END
RESULT OF THAT WAS, THE ROTATING
MAGNETIC FIELD WAS ESSENTIALLY UNI?POLAR
ABOVE THE WATER LINE.
What happened to the biological
entities, the people onboard the ship?..
WHEN THE ORDER WAS GIVEN TO TERMINATE
THE TEST AND RETURN TO DOCKSIDE, THERE
WAS NO PROBLEM AND THEY DID RETURN,
THERE WERE CERTAIN NUMBERS OF PERSONNEL
STATIONED ON THE DECK TO SEE WHAT THEY
SAW AND WHAT THEY OBSERVED. THESE
PEOPLE, THESE SAILORS WERE TOTALLY
DISORIENTATED, SICK, NAUSEOUS, OUT OF IT
AS THE SAYING GOES AND MENTALLY VERY
CONFUSED. THEY WERE NOT INSANE AND THEY
WERE NOT IN THE STATE AS IN THE CASE OF
THE SECOND TEST.
IN ANY CASE THE NAVY SAID, NO PROBLEMS,
WE HAVE ANOTHER TEST GROUP, HALF OF THE
TOTAL NUMBER OF TRAINEES WHICH UNDERWENT
A 90 DAY TRAINING SCHOOL AT THE COAST
GUARD ACADEMY, HEADED BY MY FATHER,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
SO NANOIMAN SAID, "WELL I HAVE GOT TO
FIND THE MEANS TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM"...AND HE ASKED THE NAVY FOR
MORE TIME, WELL THEY DIDN'T INITIALLY
GIVE HIM A DATE FOR THE SECOND TEST, BUT
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, AFTER ABOUT A WEEK
THEY SAID, "YOU HAVE A DROP DEAD DATE,
THE 12TH OF AUGUST, 1943, COMPLETE YOUR
TESTS BY THEN OR TO FORGET HIS
INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROJECT.
WELL WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
BLAZES THIS WAS ALL ABOUT, IT HAD MADE
NO SENSE BECAUSE NOBODY HAD EVER GIVEN
SUCH AN ORDER BEFORE, AND I WENT TO HAL
BOWEN FOR INFORMATION, AND WAS TOLD THAT
THIS ORDER CAME FROM ADMIRAL KING WHO
WAS CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS AT THAT
TIME, WHICH MADE EVEN LESS SENSE BECAUSE
HE WAS ONLY CONCERNED WITH THE OPERATION
OF THE NAVY'S PART IN THE WORLD WIDE
THEATRE OF OPERATION IN RUNNING THE WAR,
WHY SHOULD HE BE CONCERNED WITH AN
ENGINEERING TEST?
BUT IN ANY CASE, CAME THE 12TH OF
AUGUST, WE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN
ABOUT IT, NANOIMAN DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO
MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN THE EQUIPMENT.
OK Al, lets talk second experiment...Why
were your concerns greater about the
second test than the first?
TO CONTINUE WHERE I LEFT OFF, THEY
DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO SOME PRESSURE
TESTING ON THE HULL FOR THIS REASON,
CPT. HARRISON HAD DECIDED THAT BECAUSE
OF WHAT HE SAW THROUGH THE BINOCULARS,
HE WANTED SPECIAL ADDITIONAL TESTS RUN,
TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON,
HAD A SECOND CREW PLACED ONBOARD TO
OPERATE THAT EQUIPMENT ONLY, AND THEY
ASSIGNED A SUBMARINE TO GO UNDER THE
SHIP TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH
THE WATER LINE. ALL THIS WAS SETUP FOR
THE FINAL TEST ON THE 12TH OF AUGUST.
THEY HAD THE CREW ONBOARD AND EVERYTHING
READY TO GO AND AT THE LAST MINUTE
SOMETHING HAPPENED, THEY PULLED THE
SPECIAL CREW, PUT THEM ON THE SUBMARINE,
AND THEN TOLD US, THE REGULAR CREW TO,
"JUST GO AHEAD WITH THE TEST.
Just an update Al, will you recap for
us the standards required for the test
objective and then take us into the
final moments before the test got
underway..
WE HAD TWO CHANGES,
1) THE NAVY DECIDED TO RELAX ITS
REQUIREMENTS FROM OPTICAL INVISIBILITY
TO JUST RADAR, BECAUSE IF YOU UNDERSTAND
IN THOSE DAYS THERE WAS NO OVERLAND OR
SHIP TO SHORE SOPHISTICATED NAVAGATIONAL
SYSTEMS OR SATELITES LIKE WE HAVE TODAY.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE RADAR VISIBILITY,
YOU'D BETTER HAVE SOME KIND OF OPTICAL
VISIBILITY AT NIGHT, IN A STORM OR YOU
MIGHT BE RAMMING ADJACENT SHIPS IN A
CONVOY BECAUSE THAT WAS TYPICALLY THE
WAY THEY WENT ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.
2) THEY WERE TRYING TO THWART THE GERMAN
SINK RATE WHICH WAS THEN APPROXIMATELY
50% OF THE SHIPPING CROSSING THE
ATLANTIC.
SO THERE WE WERE, WE HAD ORDERS TO
PROCEED WITH THE FINAL TEST, RECEIVED BY
RADIO SO WE PROCEEDED TO FIRE UP THE
EQUIPMENT, AND FOR THE FIRST MOMENTS, TO
THOSE OBSERVING ON THE OUTSIDE, AT THIS
POINT THERE WERE 3 OBSERVER SHIPS, THERE
WAS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER, A COAST GUARD
CUTTER AND A COMMERCIAL SHIP, THE SS
FRIASETH, A MERCHANT MARINE SHIP.
THE MERCHANT MARINE OF COURSE WERE VERY
INTERESTED IN THIS SYSTEM, IF IT WORKED.
THEY WANTED IMMEDIATELY TO OUTFIT SOME
OF THEIR SHIPS FOR CROSSING THE
ATLANTIC.
SO WE HAD 3 OBSERVER SHIPS, WE TURNED
THE EQUIPMENT ON AND FOR ABOUT THE FIRST
70 OR SO SECONDS EVERYTHING APPEARED TO
BE FUNCTIONING ACCORDING TO PLAN, IE: WE
HAD RADAR INVISIBILITY BUT YOU COULD
STILL SEE THE SHIP THROUGH A HAZE. THE
SHIP WAS STILL VISIBLE, BUT NOT IN A
NORMAL SENSE OF VISIBILITY, IT WAS
SHROWDED IF YOU WILL. ALL OF A SUDDEN
THERE WAS A BLUE FLASH AND THE SHIP
DISAPPEARED, WATER LINE AND ALL, NOTHING
APPEARED IN THE HARBOUR,..IT WAS GONE!,
AND I DON'T MEAN VISIBILY GONE, IT WAS
PHYSICALLY GONE. IT WAS GONE FOR ABOUT
4 HOURS.
THEN AT 4 HOURS APPROXIMATELY THE SHIP
SUDDENLY REAPPEARED IN THE HARBOUR AND
NEEDLESS TO SAY, NANOIMAN AND EVERYBODY
WAS PANICKED WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
THERE WAS NO WAY TO RAISE ANYONE ON THE
RADIO DURING THIS. IT WAS OBSERVED FROM
THE PRINCIPAL SHIP, THE CARRIER, THAT
THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG, PART OF THE
MAIN ANTENNA'S CENTRAL MAST WAS GONE,
THERE WAS SOME SUPERFICIAL DAMAGE ON THE
DECK OF THE SHIP.
I can't stand it Al, where did the ship
go?..
I'LL GET TO THAT,...THERE WAS SOME
VISIBLE CREW RUNNING AROUNG LIKE CRAZY
AND NOBODY RESPONDED ON THE RADIO. SO
WE HAD A SPECIAL LAUNCH GO OUT WITH A
BOARDING CREW FOR THE ELDERIDGE TO FIND
OUT MUCH MORE ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED,
THEY FOUND 2 MEN BURIED IN THE STEEL
DECK, 2 MEN WERE BURIED UPRIGHT IN A
STEEL BULKHEAD AND A FIFTH MAN HAD HIS
HAND BURIED IN A STEEL BULKHEAD, HE
LIVED, THEY HAD TO CUT HIS HAND OFF, HE
WAS ONLY ONE OF FIVE THAT LIVED AND WAS
GIVEN AN ARTIFICIAL HAND LATER.
THERE WAS ABSOLUTE PANDAMONIUM WHEN
THEY FOUND THIS, THOSE WHO WERE STILL
ONDECK WERE INSANE AND TOTALLY
DISORIENTATED. THOSE BELOW DECK WERE
PERFECTLY ALRIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE
SHIELDED BY THE STEEL. THERE WAS ONE
MAN WHO DEVELOPED INTERMITTANT AND
UNCONTROLABLE INVISIBILITY, PROBABLY DUE
TO FLUX LEAKAGE AS A RESULT OF THE
SATURATION OF THE STEEL.
A SALVAGE CREW WAS PUT ONBOARD AND THE
SHIP WAS BROUGHT BACK INTO THE
PHILADELPHIA NAVY YARDS.
THEY HAD 4 DAYS OF INQUIRY AS
TO WHAT HAPPENED, SO I MADE MY REPORT.
I WAS THERE, DUNCAN WAS NOT, HE WAS ONE
OF THOSE WHO WAS MISSING AND NOBODY
BELIEVED MY REPORT. NANOIMAN TOLD ME
HE'D SPEAK TO ME LATER.
THEY OPTED FOR ONE MORE TEST, LIKE THE
FIRST TEST IN 1940 THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
AFTER REPLACING THE DAMAGED EQUIPMENT
THEY SLATED THIS TEST TO HAPPEN AT NIGHT
(2200 HRS.) IN THE OUTER HARBOUR IN LATE
OCTOBER 1943. THEY RAN THE EXPERIMENT
FROM REMOTE WITH LONG CABLES. THERE WAS
1000 FEET OF CABLE TO THE ADJACENT SHIP
TO CONTROL IT, THE SHIP WAS ON STATION,
REMOVED THE PERSONNEL, CONTROLLED THE
EQUIPMENT VIA REMOTE CABLE IN WHICH THEY
DID, THE SHIP DISAPPEARED, CAME BACK
ABOUT 15-20 MINUTES LATER. THE
EQUIPMENT IN THE HOLD WAS A SMOKING RUIN
AND SOMEONE WAS MISSING SO AT THAT POINT
THE NAVY WASHED THEIR HANDS OF THE WHOLE
PROJECT, SAID, "WE ARE SCRAPING IT, PUT
THE NORMAL EQUIPMENT ONBOARD THE
ELDERIDGE AND REOUTFIT IT FOR WAR
SERVICE, THAT WAS DONE, IT SAW WAR
SERVICE DURING 1944-45 AND IN 1946, WAS
PUT IN MOTH BALLS AND REMAINED THERE
UNTIL 1951, WHERE THEN IT WAS TURNED
OVER TO THE GREEK NAVY AS PART OF THE
GROUP OF SHIPS SENT OVER THERE BY
PRESIDENT TRUMAN. IT WAS RENAMED THE
LEON, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT SHIP IS
STILL IN SERVICE IN THE GREEK NAVY
TODAY, WE'VE HAD FEEDBACK ON THAT IN THE
LAST 2 MONTHS.
That's an outstanding story!, so now if
I can, what happened, you were onboard,
where did that ship go?
YOU MEAN WHAT HAPPENED TO US? THAT IS
DUNCAN AND I. THE FIRST 30 SECONDS
EVERYTHING APPEARED TO BE NORMAL, THE
EQUIPMENT WAS OPERATIONAL, THEN WE
NOTICED STRANGE WAVERINGS IN THE TUBES
AND THEN SOME STRANGE ELECTRICAL ARCINGS
STARTED TO TAKE PLACE IN THE CONTROL
ROOM. THIS WAS TOTALLY UNPRECIDENTED
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO HIGH VOLTAGE RIGHT
THERE THAT COULD INDUCE SUCH ARC?OVER,
BUT NEVER THE LESS IT HAPPENED, IT WAS
CONTINUING. WE TRIED TO RAISE SOMEBODY
ON THE RADIO BECAUSE ANOTHER CHANGE IN
THE INTERIM WAS THAT THEY PUT A DIRECT
LINK TO THE RADIO TRANSMITTER AND A
RECEIVER IN OUR CONTROL ROOM, RATHER
THAN GOING THROUGH A REMOTE SIGNALING
SYSTEM/LINK. WE RAISED NO ONE, COULDN'T
HEAR ANYONE SO WE WENT ALONG AND DECIDED
AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT WAS
GOING HAYWIRE, THIS IS NOT ACCORDING TO
PLAN, WE'D BETTER SHUT IT DOWN. WE WENT
FOR THE MAIN CONTROL HANDLES FOR THE
MAIN AC POWER TO THE EQUIPMENT, AND WE
YANKED ON THEM, GRABBED ON THEM, TRIED
TO FORCE THEM BUT THEY WOULDN'T BUDGE.
WE COULD NOT BREAK THE POWER CONNECTION
AND THE CONDITIONS IN THE CONTROL ROOM
CONTINUED TO GET WORSE, SO WE DECIDED,
LETS GET OUT OF HERE!, OPENED THE
BULKHEAD DOOR AND RAN OUT ON DECK. THE
SAILORS WERE RUNNING AROUND THE DECK
SEVERELY, NO ONE WAS BURIED IN THE DECK
AT THAT TIME AND WE GOT THE BRIGHT IDEA,
LETS JUMP OVERBOARD AND SWIM TO SHORE,
WE WERE BOTH GOOD SWIMMERS, SO WE DID
JUMP OVERBOARD.
NOW I MUST STATE AT THAT POINT WE COULD
SEE NOTHING BEYOND THE RAILING OF THE
SHIP, JUST A GREY FOG OR SOMETHING, WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. THE SHIP WAS
STILL QUITE VISIBLE BY ITSELF BUT
NOTHING BEYOND THAT. WE JUMPED OVER-
BOARD BUT WE NEVER HIT THE WATER, WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WE
STARTED TO FALL AND FALL AND FALL WHICH
APPEARED TO BE A TUNNEL OF SOME KIND,
AND ALL KINDS OF STRANGE FLASHING
LIGHTS. EVENTUALLY WE WOUND UP STANDING
ON OUR FEET ON DRY LAND, WHICH WAS QUITE
A CHANGE FROM THE EXPECTED WATER
LANDING, ON DRY LAND AT NIGHT ON THE
INSIDE PARIMETER OF A MILITARY BASE WITH
A CHAIN LINK FENCE IMMEDIATELY TO OUR
BACK AND SUDDENLY THERE WAS A BRIGHT
SEARCH LIGHT BEAMING DOWN ON US FROM
WHAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HELICOPTER, BUT WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A HELICOPTER WAS
BECAUSE IN 1943 THEY WERE STILL PLAY
TOYS, THINGS THAT SIKORSKI WAS WORKING
ON, SELLING A FEW TO THE MILITARY, BUT
THEY CERTAINLY WERE NOT A MAINSTAY AT
THAT PERIOD.
SO THERE WE WERE SPOTLIGHTED BY A
SEARCH LIGHT, MP'S CAME OUT OF NOWHERE,
THIS IS WHERE THE STORY DEVIATES FROM
THE MOVIE, THEY GRABBED US IMMEDIATELY,
TOOK US TO A BUILDING, AND IN THE
BUILDING WE WENT INTO AN ELEVATOR WHICH
TOOK US DOWN SEVERAL LEVELS, THE
ELEVATOR DOORS OPENED, WE SAW A LOT OF
MILITARY PERSONNEL RUNNING AROUND AND AN
ELDERLY CIVILIAN CAME FORWARD AND
GREETED US AND SAID TO US, "I'VE BEEN
EXPECTING YOU GENTLEMEN, I AM DR. JOHN
NANOIMAN. WE LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID,
YOU'RE WHO?, HE SAID, I AM DR. JOHN
NANOIMAN', WE SAID, "YOU CAN'T BE, WE
LEFT HIM ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, HE'S A MUCH
YOUNGER MAN. HE SAID, "NO I AM SORRY
GENTLEMEN, IT'S NO LONGER 1943, I AM
FORTY YEARS OLDER, THIS IS 1983 AND YOU
ARE ON MONTAGUE LONG ISLAND, PART OF THE
PHOENIX PROJECT. WELL WE THOUGHT HE
WAS NUTS, HOWEVER, HE GAVE US THE GRAND
TOUR OF THE UNDERGROUND BASE. WE SAW
COMPUTERS WHICH DID NOT EXIST IN '43,
GRAPHIC DISPLAYS, LARGE SCREEN COLOR TV
AND OTHER ELECTRONIC APPARATUS BEYOND
ANYTHING WE WERE FAMILIAR WITH BACK
THEN. SO, WE WERE NOT ONLY IMPRESSED,
WE WERE THOROUGHLY DISTRAUGHT.
FINIALLY WE SAT DOWN AND WATCHED TV FOR
A FEW HOURS.
SO WE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD ARRIVED AT
2:00 AM ON THE 12TH OF AUGUST, 1983 ON
MONTAGUE, LONG ISLAND, NY. THE BASE WAS
AT THE EXTREME EASTERN END OF LONG
ISLAND AT WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE MONTAGUE
AIRFORCE STATION, LONG SINCE BEEN
ABANDONED BUT IN 1983 WAS STILL
OPERATIONAL IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WE WATCHED TV, AND WHEN YOU SEE ADDS
FOR 747 JET AIRCRAFT, MEN ON THE MOON
AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE MOON LANDINGS
AND THE COLD WAR WITH RUSSIA AND A FEW
OTHER THINGS WE KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING
TERRIBLY WRONG.
..Holy Mackeral Al!.. AND A FEW SHOTS OF
MODERN FREEWAYS AND TRAFFIC JAMS AND
THAT SORT OF THING...That could be
psychologically.. YES IT WAS
DEVASTATING.
...we're going into a series of small
breaks, so we'll have to capsualize
this, back with Al Bielech, now as I
understand You and Duncan jumped off the
ship after you went on deck, landed on
dry land, were greeted by a helicopter
with a spot light, you're on a military
base and it's 1983..
WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT AT FIRST BUT AFTER
OBSERVING AND SEEING THE EVIDENCE, WE
ACTUALLY LEFT THE UNDERGROUND COMPLEX,
WENT UP DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, UP
ABOVE GROUND AROUND THE BASE.
THEY DID NOT LET US OFF THE BASE. IT
WAS A VERY LARGE MILITARY COMPLEX ON
LONG ISLAND, NY. IT'S STILL THERE,
THOUGH DEFUNCT AT THE PRESENT TIME. IT
IS DEFUNCT IN TERMS OF THE SURFACE
BUILDINGS, BUT NOT THE UNDERGROUND
COMPLEX. THAT THOUGH IS ANOTHER LONG
STORY IN THE MONTAGUE PROJECT.
BUT IN ANY CASE, FINIALLY NANOIMAN TOLD
US,..."WELL GENTLEMEN, PERHAPS YOU ARE
CONVINCED NOW,... NOW WE HAVE TO TELL
YOU THE REST OF THE STORY."
'I HAVE KNOWN THE WHOLE STORY FOR SOME
TIME, I'VE HAD IT IN MY RECORDS, YOU
WILL GO BACK, WE HAVE TO SEND YOU BACK
TO THE ELDERIDGE, TO GET ONBOARD AND
SMASH THE EQUIPMENT AND SHUT IT OFF AS
WE CANNOT CONTROL IT FROM HERE."
THE SHIP WAS STILL RUNNING AND HAD
DISAPPEARED INTO A HYPERSPACE BUBBLE
WHICH IS A MATHEMATICAL ARTIFICIAL
REALITY AND IT IS SUSTAINED BY THE
FIELDS GENERATED BY THE EQUIPMENT
ONBOARD THE SHIP. THERE WAS ENOUGH FUEL
TO KEEP THE EQUIPMENT RUNNING FOR 30
DAYS IF SOMETHING DOESN'T BREAK DOWN.
HE SAID, "THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS
HYPERSPACE BUBBLE IS GROWING AND WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS GOING TO ENCOMPASS
OR HOW LARGE IT MAY GET, IT COULD ENGULF
THE ENTIRE EARTH. NOW IF YOU REMEMBER
FROM THE MOVIE, THERE WAS AN ILLUSION TO
THIS, THAT IS 'THE PHILADELPHIA
EXPERIMENT' RELEASED IN 1984, ABOUT THIS
GROWING HUGE STORM...
oh yes I remember, I have it on tape,
is
this what actually was happening in 1983
on or around this Military base?
YES AND WE WERE TOLD WE WERE TO RETURN
TO THE SHIP IN THE HARBOUR IN 1943 AND
SHUT THIS PROJECT DOWN, SO WE SAID, "OH
THAT'S GREAT, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO
THAT?" AND THEY SAID, "WE'LL SEND YOU
BACK, WE HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER
SPACE AND TIME HERE ON THIS PROJECT, WE
CAN SEND YOU ANYWHERE'S WE WANT, SO WE
SCRATCHED OUR HEADS, NOT BELIEVING THEM
THAT THEY COULD SEND US BACK TO THE
DECKS OF THE ELDERIDGE.
IN THE MONTAGUE PROJECT, EXPERIMENTS
WERE CONDUCTED THAT DID INDEED HAVE
CONTROL OVER SPACE AND TIME.
...so then we actually have time
travel?
YES, SINCE 1945, OR UNCONTROLLED SINCE
THIS SECOND TEST OF THE ELDERIDGE.
... good heavens, and not just time
travel but apparently simultaneously
through space as well.
YES, NOW THAT IS A MUCH LATER
DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS THE MONTAGUE
PROJECT IN THE '60'S AND THE '70'S.
ACTUALLY THEY DON'T COME ON LINE WITH
THAT CAPABILITY UNTIL '76-'77, WHERE WE
COULD CONTROL OUR DIRECTION, BUT DURING
THE SECOND TEST IT WAS NOT INTENDED. IT
WAS AN ACCIDENT SO TO SPEAK, BUT THE TWO
(2) EXPERIMENTS LOCKED UP, AND HE KNEW
IT, SO HE SENT US BACK TO SMASH THE
EQUIPMENT. THE 2 EXPERIMENTS MEANING
THE ELDERIDGE TEST AND THE RESCUE
MISSION, BEFORE THE CAMERON BROS.
ARRIVED, THAT OPENED THE VORTEX AND
CHAINED THE CAUSALITY LOOP TO OCCUR.
NANOIMAN SENT US BACK SO WE COULD SMASH
THE EQUIPMENT ON THE ELDERIDGE. SO
THERE WE ARE ON DECK, AFTER BEING
DELIVERED INTO THE VORTEX. NOW WE BOTH
RETURNED, WENT UP TO THE CONTROL ROOM,
ACQUIRED ACCESS, GRABBED 2 FIRE AXES AND
PROCEEDED TO SMASH ALL THE RADIO TUBES
AND EQUIPMENT IN SIGHT, MOSTLY THE 606
TUBES. EVENTUALLY WITH ENOUGH
EQUIPMENT DAMAGED, LINES CUT AND RELAYS
DESTROYED, THE MAIN GENERATORS STARTED
TO WIND DOWN, AND AT THAT POINT WE KNEW
IT WAS OVER.
WE WENT BACK ON DECK, AND IT WAS THEN
AT THAT POINT WE SAW THE BODIES OF THE
CREWMEN BURIED IN THE STEEL. HOWEVER,
WE STILL COULD NOT SEE THE HARBOUR. ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT TURNED UP FOR US WAS
OUR YOUNGER BROTHER BY THE NAME OF
JAMIE, WHO WAS 6 YEARS YOUNGER THAN
DUNCAN AND MYSELF, HAD ENLISTED IN THE
NAVY AFTER THE WAR STARTED, WOUND UP
VOLUNTEERING FOR THAT SPECIAL TEST CREW
AND WOUND UP ON THE 2ND. TEST AND WAS
ONE OF FIVE WHO WERE DYING, BURIED IN
THE BULK HEAD OF THE SHIP. HIS HEAD AND
SHOULDERS WERE OUT OF THE STEEL, HE WAS
CRYING SO I PUT MY ARM AROUND HIM, AND
OF COURSE HE DIED THAT WAY. MEANWHILE,
DUNCAN TOOK ONE LOOK AT THIS MESS AND
LOOKED AT ME AND JUMPED OVERBOARD AND
DISAPPEARED.
HE BECAME A PART OF THE MONTAGUE
PROJECT PROBABLY IN 1983 AFTER RETURNING
TO THE MILITARY BASE, RECORDS INDICATE
THAT IT WAS AT THIS TIME WHEN HE ARRIVED
BACK.
I'LL GO BACK AS TO WHERE THE SHIP IS
CONCERNED. AFTER DUNCAN JUMPED
OVERBOARD, IT TOOK ABOUT 10 MINUTES FOR
THE FIELDS TO COLLAPSE BECAUSE THEY HAD
BEEN BUILDING UP FOR MANY UNINTERRUPTED
HOURS. IN TERMS OF HYPERSPACE, YOU
CANNOT STATE THE TIME INSIDE THE VORTEX,
IT DOESN'T MATTER, EXCEPT THAT THE SHIP
HAD DISAPPEARED FOR 4 HOURS. SO THE
FIELDS COLLAPSED AND WE SAW THE NORMAL
HARBOUR, THE SHIP WAS SEEN TO RETURN,
THEY SENT THE LAUCH OUT AND SO
FORTH...AND I REMAINED WITH THE SHIP IN
1943, I MADE MY REPORTS THEREAFTER.
NANOIMAN WHO WAS SKEPTICAL SAID, "I
DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO BELIEVE YOU OR
NOT, AND I'M GOING TO FIND OUT",..SO HE
BUILT A TIME MACHINE THERE AT THE
INSTITUTE, A SMALL BUT WORKABLE ONE.
THE TECHNOLOGY WITH THAT WAS SIMILAR IN
TERMS WITH THE INVISIBILITY EXPERIMENT.
HE DECIDED THAT THEY'D GO BACK TO 1983
AND BRING BACK PROOF THAT YOU WERE THERE
AND I WAS THERE. HE SENT ME MORE THAN
ONCE, AND I CAME BACK WITH PROOF THAT HE
ACCEPTED. IT WAS REPORTED AND WENT INTO
THE FILES, AND OF COURSE IN OCTOBER OF
'43, HE BECAME A PART OF THE ATOMIC BOMB
PROJECT AT LOS ALAMOS IN NEW MEXICO, HE
MADE HIS FIRST TRIP UP THERE IN LATE
OCTOBER.
I guess that we can conclude that
technology from '83 has continued,
surely that is not something they have
dropped, so they have that and much more
capability now?..
YES AND FURTHERMORE, THE PROJECT WAS
SCUTTLED BY THE NAVY IN '43, AND LATER
WAS RESURECTED IN '47 UNDER DIRECTION OF
THE NAVY BY DR. NANOIMAN TO SALVAGE IT
AND TO FIND OUT WHAT REALLY WENT WRONG.
IN '46 OF COURSE HE WAS
INVOLVED IN THE RACE WITH THE BRITISH IN
BUILDING THE FIRST ALL ELECTRONIC
DIGITAL COMPUTER AND HE WON THE RACE
DISPITE WHAT BBC SAYS, THE FIRST
COMPUTER WAS COMPLETED IN 1952, THE
FIRST WORKING MODEL IS NOW ON DISPLAY IN
THE SMITHSONIAN, AND IS WELL DOCUMENTED.
IN ANY CASE, THE FIRST COMPUTER WAS
COMPLETED, THEY BUILT A NEW INVISIBILITY
SYSTEM, AS THE NAVY HAVING SOLVED THE
PHASE PROBLEMS. IN '53 THEY HAD A NEW
TEST ON ANOTHER SHIP AND THERE WERE NO
PERSONNEL WITH SIDE EFFECTS, IT WAS
DECLARED A SUCCESS FINIALLY, AND THEY
RECLASSIFIED THE PROJECT AGAIN AND
CALLED IT PROJECT PHOENIX.
...allright, an obvious question Al,
...
if we have this capability now,
invisibility, why are we building
stealth aircraft, putting on special
skins and corners that are
non?reflective to radar, if we have
technology that will do that, or is it
still to the degree that you cannot fit
it for example reasonably on an
airplane.
THEY HAVE LONG SINCE SOLVED THAT
PROBLEM, IT'S FITTED ON AIRCRAFT, IT'S
USED ON THE B1?B BOMBER, B?2 WHICH IS A
STEALTH BOMBER, IT'S ON ALL NAVY FIGHTER
AIRCRAFT, ISRAELI FIGHTER AIRCRAFT, THE
SR-71, ALL OF THE LARGE NAVY FRIGATES
AND DESTROYERS AND AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.
IT'S EVEN TODAY SCALED DOWN TO A
PERSONAL SIZE, AN INDIVIDUAL
BACKPACK/BELTPACK WHERE ONE CAN BECOME
INVISIBLE.
...well that's a disturbing thought for
the rest of us visible folk...AND AS A
REALITY. O.K. All, lets go to the
phones to answer our callers
questions...
CALLER ONE,... excuse my ignorance in
physics, I did catch most of what you
said,
but most just went over my head, can you
explain to the layman just how the
process
of invisibility works?
YOU DESCRIBE IT AS A SPECIAL
COMBINATION OF ELECTRIC AND MAGNETIC
FIELDS ROTATING, WHICH BECAUSE OF THE
CHOICE OF FREQUENCY WHICH WAS
MATHEMATICALLY CORRECT, IT INTERACTS
WITH THE GRAVITY FIELD AND WHAT IT DOES
IN THAT CASE, ACCORDING TO THE UNIFIED
FIELD THEORY, WHICH HAS BEEN COMPLETED
AND THE GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE IT SINCE
1938, REDIRECTS WITH THE TIME FIELD.
NOW THAT GETS INTO A LONG STORY BUT THIS
CAN BE STATED VERY SIMPLY BY SAYING; YOU
START TO PHASE THE SHIP OUT OF OUR TIME
REFERENCE, AND YOU PHASE IT OUT FAR
ENOUGH, THE SHIP IS STILL PHYSICALLY
HERE IN OUR REALITY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS
THE FIELDS ACT IN A MANNER SO THAT
ENERGY IS NO LONGER REFLECTED FROM THAT
OBJECT. NOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE A
REFLECTION WHETHER IT BE LIGHT OR RADAR,
YOU HAVE NO IMAGE.
...so in a sense in the first part of
the experiment, the ship actually was
not invisible, it simply was enveloped
in a field that created either to radar
or to visual frequencies the appearance
of invisibility, is that about
right?...THAT'S CORRECT..and then in the
later stages of the experiment something
radically different occurred in which
space and time were shifted.
THAT WAS NOT INTENDED OR PART OF THE
ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT AS SETUP.
CALLER TWO,... Little Rock, Calif, I am
having a real hard time believing this,
ummmh, how come we haven't won the war
with this kind of technology?
With this kind of technology now that
you say is down to the point of a
backpack, where an individual becoming
invisible, we could more or less own the
world.
WELL THAT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU CONSIDER
ADAMANT. YOU THEN GET INTO A POLITICAL
ARENA OF WHO IS REALLY RUNNING THE SHOW
IN TERMS OF A SUPER SECRET GOVERNMENT,
WHO MANIPULATED MUCH OF THIS TECHNOLOGY,
AT LEAST IN THE LATTER STAGES. THEY DID
NOT IN TERMS OF THE PHILADELPHIA
EXPERIMENT INVOLVING THE INSTITUTE OF
ADVANCED STUDY FOR THE DEPARTMENT IN THE
NAVY, BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DIFFERENT
PHASES AFTER 1947, YOU THEN START
RUNNING INTO POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS,
THE UFO PROBLEM, THE MJ-12 PROJECT, AND
THE SECRET GOVERNMENT.
THE SECRET GOVERNMENT IS DETERMINED TO
BECOME A ONE WORLD GOVERNING POWER, THE
SO?CALLED 'NEW WORLD ORDER', WHICH I'M
SURE EVERYONE HAS HEARD THE TERM,
PROMULGATED BY BUSH AND COMPANY.
THIS IS THE REAL JIST OF THIS IS, THE
SECRET GOVERNMENT HAVE CONTROL OF THIS
TECHNOLOGY. WE NO LONGER AS A NATION
REALLY CONTROL ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY,
NOR DO WE HAVE THE KIND OF AUTHORITY OR
POSITION WE ONCE HAD AS A PEOPLE'.
I had a real strange experience as a
kid, but still find the aspects of this
story real hard to believe.
Al, how do you deal with the incredible
aspects of this story, it all seems
possible, but do people generally laugh
you off, discard what you are saying,
how do you deal with it all and about
the loss of your brother Jamie? This
beats most UFO stories I've heard...
WELL...I THINK YOU CAN SAY THAT IN MANY
RESPECTS IT DOES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS
THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER
HEARD THE STORY BEFORE, OR READ ANY OF
THE MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN IN THE OPEN
LITERATURE SINCE 1955 DEALING WITH THE
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, THERE IS MUCH
ADDITIONAL MATERIAL I CAN GIVE YOU, BUT
NEVER THE LESS, THE MOVIE WAS MADE IN
1984 AND RELEASED TELLING BASICALLY THE
STORY WITH A LOT OF HOLLYWOOD FILL IN,
WITH A LOVE STORY IN THE INTEREST OF
GALLIVANTING AROUND NEVADA.
... yah they cannot make movies without
love scenes...
RIGHT, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING IN
THE MOVIE ARE VERY ACCURATE, BUT IF YOU
ARE NOT EXPOSED TO THIS, YOU MAY WONDER,
"HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE? TO BE HIT
WITH THIS ALL AT ONCE, EVEN THOUGH YOU
MAY HAVE SKEPTICISM. DO YOUR RESEARCH
AND YOU'LL FIND ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT
YOU'LL PROBABLY AGREE THAT IT HAPPENED,
BECAUSE THERE IS INFORMATION AVAILABLE
IN SPITE OF GOVERNMENT SUPPRESSION.
CALLER THREE,... morning, uummmmh, there
is a lot of questions, but I want to ask
a very important one, "Do you have what
you've said tonight, written in a book?
YES AS A MATTER OF FACT A BOOK WRITTEN
BY BRAD STAGGER ENTITLED THE
'PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT AND THE UFO
CONSPIRACY', WAS PUBLISHED IN 1990 BY
INNER LIGHT.
THESE BOOKS DELVE INTO THE ASPECTS IN
THE '80'S, WHERE THERE IS MORE TO IT
THAN JUST THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT.
....is Dr. Nanoiman still alive?
YES HE IS, HE DID NOT DIE IN 1957 AS
THE PUBLIC RECORD STATES.
...another question, if this was made
into a weapon, if we had that much
technology, how did it get away from us
into the global market.
IT DIDN'T GET AWAY FROM US IN TERMS OF
THE INVISIBILITY, WE HAD SHARED IT WITH
OTHERS.
...or are you saying then that some of
the world leaders have been in on it,
and have gone and seen the future,
therefore this is why they are so intent
on devising a one world government?
Like they feel perhaps they have to or
there may not be peace and a habitable
planet?
Al I'd like to wrap into this question
a little bit, Is it posible to change
what occurs in time?
YES AND NO. YES YOU CAN IF YOU KNOW
WHAT YOU ARE DOING BUT THE POINT IS YOU
ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH ALTERING THE
PRESENT BY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, IN
ORDER TO MAKE THE FUTURE COME OUT THE
WAY THE CURRENT RULING ELITE WANT IT TO
COME OUT. NOW CHANGING THE PAST IS MORE
DIFFICULT. IT CAN BE DONE, BUT YOU GET
INTO PROBLEMS LIKE
WITH QUANTUM MECHANICS AND QUANTUM
PHYSICS.
I guess what I'm asking is these world
leaders, according to you and others, in
concert, are heading us towards one
world government, is there an
inevitability to this, can we do
something about it, preventing it from
happening, or are we just along for the
ride from now until it coalesces?
IT CAN BE CHANGED, THERE IS NO SUCH
THING AS IT BEING CAST IN STONE. THEY
WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE FACT THAT IT
WOULD BECOME INEVITABLE FROM THEIR POINT
OF VIEW, THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE TIME
AND EVENTS BY LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.
THERE WAS A PROJECT CALLED 'PROJECT
LOOKING GLASS' WHICH OFFERED A VIEW INTO
THE FUTURE. THERE ARE EVEN MORE COMPLEX
MACHINES TODAY FROM THE 70'S ONWARD
WHERE YOU CAN TRAVEL IN TIME AS WELL AS
LOOK IN TIME. YOU HAVE THOUGH SOME
RESTRICTIONS ON THAT IN TERMS OF THE
FUTURE.
CALLER FOUR,...Alaska, I believe that
it's absolutely correct about the
testing experiment, the New World Order,
and International Bankers who took over
our Gold standards back in 1913, and
earlier stated in the broadcast, that
there will be massive Earthquakes in the
California region in September. My
question to Al is, "how are you going to
be able to prove this, and good luck."
I CAN INDIRECTLY ANSWER HIS QUESTION,
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE, THE
INFORMATION WAS ALMOST IN MY HANDS
SEVERAL TIMES, LETS SAY THE GOVERNMENT
MOVED FASTER AND GOT THERE FIRST. THEY
HAVE VAST RESOURCES.
CALLER FIVE,...Saltlake City, Hi Al, I
was wondering if you were related to Dr.
Cameron in Canada that was working with
the CIA in the Mind Control
Experiment?...
NOT THAT I KNOW OF, THE FAMILY NAME IS
THE SAME, AND OF COURSE I DIDN'T TELL
THE STORY HOW I BECAME AL BIELECH, BUT
NEVER THE LESS, I AM FULLY AWARE OF THE
CAMERON STORY IN CANADA AND MK ALTER AND
THE WHOLE CIA PROJECT UP THERE. WHEN I
VISITED MONTREAL SOME YEARS BACK TO GIVE
A SERIES OF LECTURES ABOUT THE TEST OF
YEARS AGO, I ASKED THIS QUESTION OF MY
HOST, HAVE YOU HEARD OF A DR. CAMERON,
AND THEY SAID, "OH YES, WE ALL KNOW
ABOUT HIM UP HERE, AND THE CANADIANS
WERE NOT PLEASED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT
WHAT WAS GOING ON...BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW
HE IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED.
..because his father was a Duncan
Cameron and he graduated from Glasgow
and I thought he might be related, but
the thing with your brother, was he
involved with the same Montague Project,
the Montague Project where they worked
with adeptive boys?
YES HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE MONTAGUE
PROJECT AND I WAS ALSO, BUT AS AL
BIELECH. WE WERE BOTH INVOLVED AS WELL
AS OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING PRESTON
NICHOLLS. DUNCAN WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED
WITH THE MONTAGUE PROJECT, THAT'S
TRUE,BUT THAT IS DUNCAN IN THE NEW BODY,
THAT IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE STORY.
IT'S HARD TO GO INTO BUT HE DIED IN THE
PROJECT IN 1983, AND HE WAS BORN, SHALL
WE SAY PUT INTO ANOTHER BODY BACK IN
1963, WHICH HAD BEEN BORN IN 1951. IT'S
CALLED CHENOMETAPHYSICS. IT'S HARD TO
BELIEVE AND ACCEPT, BUT NEVER THE LESS,
THE GROUPS WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT
ARE VERY CAPABLE OF SHOVING SOULS AROUND
AND PUTTING THEM ANYWHERE'S THEY WANT.
IT ALL LOCKS TOGETHER WITH METAPHYSICS,
BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP MY EXPLANANTION TO
HARD SCIENCE AND THINGS WHICH ARE
DIRECTLY AZURIBLE.
CALLER SIX,... Alaska,.. I have heard
the term Quantum Mechanics used and my
familiarity with this is that, any one
event extended out, sends out a chain
reaction of many other events in an ever
expanding cone down a time line. This
is dictated by Stephen W. Hawkins, our
worlds leading physicist, who claims,
that we have not got a Grand Unified
Theory yet. My question is, "How is he
going to prove this?"
YES I AM FAMILIAR WITH STEPHEN HAWKINS
BOOK, 'A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME,'.. WELL
TO PROVE THAT WE HAVE THE THEORY IS NOT
EASY. QUANTUM PHYSICS DOES MAKE CERTAIN
STATEMENTS AND WHEN THE NAVY ENGAGED IN
CERTAIN EXPERIMENTS IN 1973, WHICH WHEN
I WAS GIVEN IN THE WAY OF INFORMATION,
THAT THEY WANTED TO GO BACK IN TIME AND
ASSASSINATE THE MAN WHO WAS THE FATHER
OF THE PERSON THEY KNEW WOULD BE THE
LEADER OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, THEY
ASSUMED THAT BY ASSASSINATING THE FATHER
BEFORE HE MARRIED, THAT THE SON WOULD
DISSAPPEAR. THEY WENT BACK INTO THE
PAST, ASSASSINATED THE MAN AND THE SON
DIDN'T DISAPPEAR, NOTHING HAPPENED TO
HIM. SO THEY SCRATCHED THEIR HEADS AND
WENT TO THE PHYSICISTS AND THEY
SAID,.."UH HUH!, QUANTUM PHYSICS,
QUANTUM MECHANICS AND TIME IS QUANTISED
AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE,...
THEREFORE YOU ONLY EFFECT THE EVENTS IN
THE AREA WHERE YOU WERE, YOU CANNOT
EFFECT THE ENTIRE TIME STREAM INTO THE
FUTURE. THAT IS WHAT THEIR STATEMENT
WAS, SO YOU CREATE TEMPORARY DISRUPTION
ONLY BUT NOT A COMPLETE DISRUPTION.
TIME WILL FALL BACK INTO IT'S ORIGINAL
LINE BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED AND
BEEN RECORDED. THAT IN THIS CASE WAS
NOT ENTIRELY TRUE BECAUSE THEY WERE
USING A TIME MACHINE WHICH WAS
OPPERATING ON A SINGLE LINE REALITY
ONLY. THE MONTAGUE PROJECT WAS CAPABLE
OF ENCOMPASSING ALL THE ALTERNATE
REALITIES.
CALLER SEVEN,...Medford Oregon, the
first question I have is back in the
story about the surprise attack on Pearl
Harbour by the Japanese, and before the
attack they got him and Duncan out, what
about everybody else that was there?..
if they had enough knowledge to get you
and your guards out, why not prepare for
the Japanese attack and be ready?..
BECAUSE IT WAS A COMPLETE SETUP ORDERED
BY ROOSEVELT TO HAVE AN ATTACK ON THE
UNITED STATES IN ORDER TO GET US INTO
THE WAR, THATS THE BOTTOM LINE. THERE
WAS EVIDENCE AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER WHEN
THEY STARTED INVESTIGATING THE WRECKAGE
AND IT WAS PUBLISHED OPENLY IN THE
PAPERS.
CALLER EIGHT,... three quick question..
just a few weeks ago a young colleague
of Edward Teller's at Lawrence
Livermoore Labs said that this story was
bunk, should I disbelieve him in the
future about anything else. ...Two,
You're right, they do have Nanoiman as
dead in 1957, if he's alive now he'd be
about 90. Why did they have him dead
and are there other people you can name
that they also had dead but are still
alive?...Three, let me get down to the
chase here. What kind of models did you
use for this and what is the key bearing
to making our own model at home?
UH, OK YOU SPOKE OF A
COLLEAGUE OF TELLER'S WHO SAID THAT THIS
STORY WAS BUNK, ALSO WE HAD A CHORUS
THERE OF A NUMBER OF OTHER SCIENTISTS
WHO ALSO CONSIDER IT BUNK, H. STANFORD
FREIDMAN, BRUCE MACKELBIE, ETC...
THEY'RE ALL A PART OF THE GOVERNMENT
DISINFORMATION TEAM BECAUSE THEY DON'T
WANT THE FACTS MADE PUBLIC.
THE GOVERNMENT STILL DENIES TO THIS DAY
THAT THIS EXPERIMENT EVER TOOK PLACE,
BUT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'LL ASK YOU A
QUESTION, WHY HAVE THEY MADE IT UNDER
THE REVISED FEDERAL FELONY ESPIONAGE
LAWS OF 1987, A FELONY TO TALK ABOUT
EITHER THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT OR OF
THE USS ELDERIDGE ON A NAVY BASE?
NUMBER TWO,.. NANOIMAN WAS DYING OF
CANCER, AND THEY PULLED HIM OUT, CURED
HIM OF THE CANCER, PUT HIM UNDER WHAT IS
WELL KNOWN AS THE FEDERAL PROTECTED
WITNESSES PROGRAM, GAVE HIM A NEW
IDENTITY AND HAD HIM CONTINUE. HE HAD
TO BE KEPT ALIVE AT LEAST UNTIL 1983
BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE
MONTAGUE PROJECT AND THE 12th OF AUGUST,
'83. HE IS STILL ALIVE TODAY, WE HAVE
MET AND HAVE GONE OUT TO DINNER,
UNFORTUNATELY NOW HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH
A SPLIT PERSONALITY AND HE IS NOT VERY
OFTEN IN HIS RIGHT MIND. I THINK THAT
IT IS PROBABLY INDUCED BY THE GOVERNMENT
FOR THE SAKE OF COVERING UP. THERE ARE
OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE DONE THIS TO
ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR
WITH THE STORY OF A DR. FREDERICH
KERPERS WHO WAS BROUGHT OVER TO THE
UNITED STATES AS PART OF PROJECT PAPER
CLIP IN 1946?47. HE ALSO HAD A FAKE
FUNERAL IN 1962 ON LINCOLN'S BIRTHDAY, I
KNOW HIS DAUGHTER VERY WELL. SO THE
GOVERNMENT DOES THIS ON MANY OCCASIONS
WHENEVER NECESSARY.
THREE.. WELL AS SO FAR AS PROOF IS
CONCERNED THAT'S QUITE DIFFICULT. THE
MODEL OF THIS THING IS HIGHLY
MATHEMATICAL, IT INVOLVES GOING BACK
INTO HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE
DEVELOPED THE MATHEMATICS FOR IT, NAMELY
DR. NORMAN LEVENSON.
QUICKLY,.. THAT LAST PERSON'S QUESTION
ABOUT THE MODELLING, THE MATHEMATICIANS
INVOLVED IN THIS ENTIRE THING TO SET UP
THE BACKGROUND INCLUDED MR. DAVID
HILBERT WHO WAS WELL KNOWN FOR HIS
'HILBERT SPACE' AND JOHN NANOIMAN WHO
TOOK THAT WORK AND EXPANDED ON IT, AND
DR. NORMAN LEVENSON WHO WAS AN M.I.T.
PROFESSOR OF MATHEMATICS AND WHILE HE
HAS FIVE BOOKS OF HILTON LITERATURE FOR
HIS WORK ON TIME, TIME EQUATION AND TIME
MATRIX'S IS STILL CLASSIFIED TO THIS
DAY.
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE
CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT AT LEAST THOSE THREE
I CAN NAME, PROVIDED A GREAT DEAL OF
BASIC MODELLING. OF COURSE TESLA,
WITHOUT A DEGREE MODELLED THE ENTIRE
THING, USUALLY IN HIS HEAD, WHICH WAS
THE WAY HE SIMPLY DID MOST OF HIS WORK.
SO PERHAPS THAT WILL GIVE SOME INSIGHT
INTO THE PROBLEM.
CALLER NINE,... Yes Mr. Bielech, thank
you for having me on. Did the
assassination of President Kennedy have
anything to do with the Government's
involvement with any part of this
experiment at the time?, would either
bring them back er... NOT TO MY
KNOWLEDGE..ok, and as far as going into
the future, is his death ever solved?
IT'S PRETTY WELL SOLVED NOW, I DON'T
THINK ONE HAS TO GO MUCH FURTHER INTO
THE FUTURE BECAUSE ENOUGH RECORDS HAVE
BEEN RELEASED, THE JFK MOVIE PRETTY WELL
NAILS IT DOWN.
Why would it not be possible to stop the
assasination, Al?
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION,.. THEORETICALLY
IT MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS
BEEN ANY ATTEMPT OR A DESIRE TO DO IT.
Relatively an unknown person would make
a significantly small ripple in time,
but my God!! President Kennedy. If you
were to change that and he was not
assassinated would cause a gigantic
explosion in time.
YES! IT WOULD CAUSE AN ENORMOUS
UPHEAVAL BECAUSE OF THE FACT OF WHAT HE
WAS DOING AND THE REASONS WHY HE WAS
ASSASSINATED. HE WANTED TO ELLIMINATE
THE FED AND PRESS U.S. NOTES. HE WANTED
THE CIA TO REVEAL THE FACT THAT THEY
WERE NOT ONLY IN THE DRUG BUSINESS, BUT
ALSO THE OTHER GROUPS SURPRESSING THE
FACTS ABOUT UFO'S AND E.T.'S.
I do know that he had signed an
executive order that would have had a
big effect on the Fed, and that was then
reversed by Johnson.
YES, HE HAD ALSO ISSUED A LARGE NUMBER
OF U.S. NOTES WHICH IS STILL LEGAL
TENDER UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION, SO HE HAD
A NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT FOR HIS HEAD SO
TO SPEAK, AND HE EVENTUALLY DID GET HIT
IN DALLAS.
CALLER TEN,... Las Vegas, Yah I'm pretty
much on the believing side of Time
Travel and the Philadelphia Experiment.
The time fields that modern day Time
Machines would have, would there be
anything devised to sense a disturbance
in the space?time continuium, and when
they would use it? Is there a way to
detect time travel in progress, Al?
THAT I CANNOT ANSWER, THEORETICALLY
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE BUT I DON'T KNOW OF
ANY WAY AT THIS POINT WHERE IT COULD BE
DONE. THERE SHOULD BE SENSING MEANS FOR
DETERMINING WHEN ANYBODY IS PLAYING A
GAME OF SOME SORT WITH A TIME MACHINE.
TIME TRAVEL IS AN EVOLVED SCIENCE, IT
HAS GONE THROUGH MANY GENERATIONS AND IN
TERMS OF CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, MAY NOT
EVEN BE DETECTABLE OR REQUIRE AN ELM
FIELD. CERTAINLY THE ELM AND MAGNETIC
FIELDS FROM THE TESTS ON THE ELDERIDGE
ARE OR WERE EASILY DETECTABLE WITH
TODAYS EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
FREQUENCIES AND WATTAGE USED.
WITH RADAR EQUIPMENT FOR THAT FREQUENCY
(160 MHZ) THE RECEIVERS WOULD PICK IT
UP, BUT AFTER THE SHIP BECAME RADAR
INVISIBLE OF COURSE THEN THEY COULDN'T
PICK UP THE FIELD ANYMORE BECAUSE IT HAD
ALREADY ENFOLDED IN ON ITSELF, AND THEN
THE TIME-PHASE SHIFT NUMBER WAS SUCH SO
THAT IT WAS LITERALLY... GONE.
CALLER ELEVEN,... Dr. Bielech, what is
the name of the fundamental set of
equations that govern Classical
Electromagnetism
WELL GOING INTO CLASSICAL
ELECTROMAGNETISM YOU WILL FIND
DISCREPENCIES BUT THE SCIENCE IS BASED
ON MAXWELL'S EQUATIONS TO SOME EXTENT...
Yes, but any Sophomore studying Physics
will be able to understand, I know Max
Dresdan who was John NaNoiman's graduate
student, I was with him at the
University of Kansas, he talked about
being at the NaNoiman funeral in 1957
Sir,... IT WAS A FUNERAL,... uh yah, and
I have heard of Dr. Freidman speak out
at Stanford, he seems like a very
credible person. Thirdly, it is
possible to distort space?time but you
need something that has a very large
mass such as a Black Hole, so I have to
say that I do not believe you.
WELL THAT'S IN TERMS OF
CURRENT THINKING WHERE THEY ARE
ADMITTING THAT MAYBE TIME TRAVEL IS
POSSIBLE AND TERMS OF CLASSICAL PHYSICS
AS IT'S VIEWED TODAY.
THIS HOWEVER DOES NOT REQUIRE A LARGE
MASS, IT REQUIRES MANIPULATION OF THE
THREE BASIC ELEMENTS OF OUR FIELD
THEORY, NAMELY THE ELECTRIC FIELD, THE
GRAVITIC FIELD AND THE TACHYON FIELD,
AND BY THIS, YOU THEN MANIPULATE THE
FOURTH WHICH IS THE TIME FIELD. IT DOES
ULTIMATELY TAKE POWER BUT IT DOES NOT
TAKE A HUGE MASS. MASS IS A MISNOMER IN
TERMS OF THE REAL PHYSICS IF YOU EVER
WENT THROUGH IT BECAUSE WHAT THEY TEACH
TODAY IN THE UNIVERSITIES IN TERMS OF
ELECTROMAGNETISM AND PHYSICS IS LARGELY
GARBAGE.
CALLER TWELVE,... If the Government can
send someone into the future to learn
anything they want I would suppose, then
what would the Aliens think about Humans
having such capabilities?
IN TERMS OF THAT THEY WERE PART IN
PARCEL IN AIDING AND ABETTING THE
MONTAGUE PROJECT.
THEY WERE ASSISTING IN TERMS OF THE
MOST STANDARDIZED TIME, THAT WAS NOT
ALIEN TECHNOLOGY, THAT WAS HOME GROWN
HERE ON EARTH.
THE GERMANS PRIOR TO THE END OF WWII
HAD FUNCTIONING TIME MACHINES, NANOIMAN
HAD ONE IN A LABORARTORY IN 1944. THE
WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE SINCE THEN AFTER
THE WAR HAS IN PART STRICTLY BEEN HOME
GROWN TECHNOLOGY, AND IN A LARGER SENSE
THERE HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTIONS BY ALIENS
BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT IN THE TREATY
THAT WAS MADE IN 1954 WITH EISENHOWER.
CALLER THIRTEEN,... I had a question
about the 38?39 Death Ray Test. What
exactly was the extent of those tests,
and where do those tests lead us to now?
THAT WAS TESTED IN WHITE SANDS, NEW
MEXICO TEST RANGE IN 38?39 ACCORDING TO
SECOND HAND INFORMATION FROM WITNESSES
WHO WERE THERE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY
HAD A VERY LARGE LASER LIKE DEVICE OF
TESLA DESIGN , IT EMITTED A GREEN RAY
ACCORDING TO THESE WITNESS'S AND ANY
OBJECT IT WAS AIMED AT. IT WAS A PULSED
DISCHARGED DEVICE WITH HUGH CAPACITOR
BANKS, IT TOOK A CERTAIN FINITE PERIOD
OF TIME TO CHARGE UP THE CAPACITORS
AFTER FIRING. THEY AIMED IT AT A TRUCK
OR TANK, IT TURNED GREEN AND
DISAPPEARED. THEY HAD TRIED ANIMALS
TOO, BUT THEY AIMED IT AT A MOUNTAIN
TOP, FROM WHAT I'M TOLD, THE MOUNTAIN
TOP DISAPPEARED.
THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH
FOR THE MILITARY PEOPLE IN CHARGE
OF THE TEST. THE STORY IS THAT THEY
ORDERED THE EQUIPMENT DESTROYED AND THE
NOTES BURIED. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE
MYSELF THAT IF THEY HAD A WEAPON OF THAT
CAPABILITY, THAT THEY WOULD ABANDON IT.
Al, I have got a little more than basic
Electronics knowledge, I can work a
microwave, ha ha.. and I know about
magnetism, but I don't know about the
equations that govern them.
THE PRIOR CALLERS QUESTIONS WERE RATHER
AMBIGUOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE, YES YOU
CAN QUOTE MAXWELL'S EQUATIONS. THE
PROBLEM THERE, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL EQUATIONS AS
PUBLISHED OVER 100 YEARS AGO AND NOT THE
TRUNCATED VERSION TAUGHT IN THE
UNIVERSITIES TODAY, WHICH WAS DERIVED BY
HEAVYSIDE IN 1875.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER
DR. HERTZ AND HIS HERTZIAN WAVES
AND THE THEORY WHICH HE EXPANDED AND THE
CURRENT BASIC THEORY, WHICH IS TAUGHT IN
THE UNIVERSITIES, WHICH IS CORRECT AND
PARTLY INCORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS
THEY TEACH YOU, WHICH YOU MAY REMEMBER
YOURSELF FROM ALL OF YOUR WORK IS THAT
THE ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE AS
A RADIO WAVE, THAT THE MAGNETIC
COMPONENT IS PROPAGATED AT THE SAME RATE
AS THE ELECTRIC FIELD, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THE MAGNETIC FIELD IS PROPAGATED AT A
RATE OF 0.6 THAT OF THE ELECTRIC FIELD
IN A COMBINED RADIO WAVE, WHICH IS A
FIRST ORDER WAVE ELECTROMAGNETICALLY.
THE RADIO WAVE IS PROPAGATED ACCORDING
TO THE THEORY OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT. OF
COURSE YOU GET INTO THE ARGUMENT THERE,
WHAT IS THE SPEED OF LIGHT, IT IS NOT A
CONSTANT, IT IS ON THE EARTH IN THE
MATTER BY METHODS IN WHICH WE HAVE
MEASURED IT, BUT EIENSTEIN HIMSELF
DENIED THAT IT WAS A CONSTANT, SAID HE
WAS MISQUOTED. DUE TO THE
ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS HERE ON EARTH,
THE SPEED WAS MEASURED WITH THIS FACTOR
IN MIND AND THE SPEED OF LIGHT AS WE
KNOW IT WAS DETERMINED.
We certainly know that magnetism and
gravity effects light as evidence by
what a Black Hole does.. THAT'S TRUE..
CALLER FOURTEEN,... Nevada, Yes good
morning, you have mentioned the New
World Order on several occasions, ...who
exactly is running this particular
secret government, are they visually
open to the public eye, and is George
Bush a captain on the team?
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MAJOR AMERICAN
CORPORATIONS, ALL THE FORTUNE 500
COMPANIES, ANHEISER BUSCH, BILDEBERGERS,
CLUB OF RUH?ALUMINADY, A SKULL AND
CROSSBONES ORGANIZATION WHICH THEY ALL
FIT TOGETHER AND FOLLOW.
AS FOR MR. BUSH, HE WAS A MEMBER ON THE
TEAM AND NOT RUNNING THE SHOW.
CALLER FIFTEEN,... San Francisco, Hi,
I'd like to know if the Electromagnetic
disturbances in the Bermuda Triangle are
related to experiments such as in
Philadelphia?
THE ANSWER IS NO, THE DISTURBANCES IN
THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE ARE STILL A MATTER
OF CONJECTURE.
WHEN IVAN SANDERSON WAS ALIVE AND I
WORKED WITH HIM ON THAT, HE WAS OF THE
OPINION THAT IT WAS A NATURAL PHENOMENON
BECAUSE THERE ARE 12 SUCH AREAS ON THE
PLANET EARTH FORMING ESSENTIALLY A
PERFECT GEODESIC GRID, BUT THESE ARE THE
12 PRIMARIES AS PART OF THE COMPLETE
GRID LAY?LINE SYSTEM OF THE EARTH.
THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE ONE ON THE
EARTH IS OVER THE JAPAN SEA EAST OF THE
ISLANDS OF JAPAN, THEY HAVE LOST SOME
PRETTY BIG SHIPS IN THERE TOO.
Al, getting back to this, in regards to
the RF?fields and Rotating
Electromagnetic fields, would you advise
them not to try this at home?
YES I DEFINITELY WOULD ADVISE AND DON'T
TRY THIS AT HOME, BESIDES THEY WOULD
NEVER GET IT TO WORK WITHOUT CERTAIN OF
THE KEY ELEMENTS WHICH ARE VERY
DIFFICULT TO GET IN THE WAY OF HARDWARE.
THE SYSTEM ENCOMPASSED MORE THAN THAT,
YOU HAD TO HAVE A ZERO TIME REFERENCE
GENERATOR AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WHICH
TESLA HIMSELF DEVELOPED IN THE '20'S AND
IS USED TODAY FOR EVERY PIECE OF
EQUIPMENT DEVELOPED FOR USE BY THE FAA
AND A LOT OF OTHER GOVERNMENT CRAFT.
I COULD POSSIBLY REMAKE THE TIME
MACHINE, BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT
TO BECAUSE THE FIELD CREATED WAS
INCORRECT, IN OTHER WORDS, AN OPEN
TORROID, THOUGH THE TORROID SHAPE WAS
CLOSED IT WAS OPEN IN THE SENSE THAT
ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE EFFECT
TAKES PLACE IS NOT SHIELDED FROM OUTSIDE
INFLUENCE. THE ELDERIDGE WAS NOT
SHIELDED FROM OUTSIDE INFLUENCE. IF
THEY HAD USED A FORM OF THE CLOSED
OBLIVOID SPHEROID FIELD, THEN THE SHIP
WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPERLY SHIELDED AND A
TIME DISTURBANCE WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURED.
THIS THOUGH REQUIRED A LOT MORE
HARDWARE FOR THE ELECTRO? MAGNETIC
COMPLICATIONS, THAN WAS AVAILABLE FOR
USE AT THAT TIME.
CALLER SIXTEEN,... California, I would
like to ask Mr. Bielech, does Time and
Space fold like an Accordian, is this
what I'm to understand?
NO IT DOESN'T FOLD LIKE AN ACCORDIAN
UNDER NORMAL USAGE, THERE ARE WAYS
FOLDING IT IF YOU WILL, WHICH CERTAIN
ALIEN GROUPS KNOW AND APPARENTLY USE
THAT AS A MEANS OF PROPULSION ON THEIR
SHIPS ...IF THE STORIES ARE CORRECT.
NORMALLY TIME IS NOT FOLDED, YOU CAN
ENVISION IT MORE LIKE A HELIX IN WHICH
THERE ARE GRAVITY WAVES GOING THROUGH
TIME AND NORMALLY IT IS A VERY SMOOTH IN
TRANSITION AND EVEN IN TRANSMISSION, BUT
IT CAN BE DISTURBED. THERE ARE THINGS
THAT WILL DISTURB IT, LIKE THE LOCKUP OF
TWO EXPERIMENTS, OR THE DETONATION OF A
THERMONUCLEAR DEVICE, WHICH WILL BREAK
THE CONTINUITY TEMPORARILY, BUT
OTHERWISE IT'S A SMOOTH TRANSITION.
That's right, an atomic explosion does
create a large Electromagnetic Pulse,
doesn't it?
A HYDROGEN BOMB IS ONE THAT CREATES THE
HUGH PULSE, AN ATOM BOMB CREATES A
SMALLER ONE, BUT NOT OF ANY GREAT
SIGNIFICANCE.
Well then I have a question, could that
conceivably then through just
happenstance, a large Hydrogen Bomb
exploding, create a time-space
disturbance?
VERY DEFINITELY IT DOES AND IT WAS
TESTED AND MEASURED IN 1954.
CALLER SEVENTEEN,...Pacific
Washington,..Several questions, I was
wondering if Al was familiar with the
book 'Thin Air'...YES... Ok, I've read
several books on this topic and have
been fascinated by the entire thing,
anyway I was wondering if you could
comment on the Alien Connection so to
speak, how do they play into this?, If
that is indeed a proper assumption on my
part, and also the book 'Thin Air',
which is a novel, which kinda carries
the Phyladelphia Experiment into the
'70's and it talks about some of the
sort of things you've spoke about.
Allright Al, it would set us off on a
different course, but what about the
Alien theories, is this all connected,
you did say it was?
IT WAS NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH THE
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, NO, BUT IT IS
DEFINITELY CONNECTED WITH THE MONTAGUE
PROJECT AND MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAD CONDUCTED IN SECRET.
So it is your contention that we made
some sort of deal with the Aliens and we
possess a great deal of their technology
is that right?
THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT OF INTERCHANGE
AND THEY USE SOME OF THIS HARDWARE, IN
FACT WE BUILT A WHOLE SERIES OF
UNDERGROUND BASES FOR THEIR USE SINCE
'75, AND IT WAS SOLD TO CONGRESS ON THE
BASIS THAT THERE BEING SCATTERED AROUND
THE USA AS REFUGES FOR THE PRESIDENT IN
CASE OF NUCLEAR ATTACK.
I'll tell yah, you are not the only one
who claims this, I've talked to alot of
other people who say this to be true.
Al, what about 'Thin Air', the Novel?
THE NOVEL 'THIN AIR' HAD A LOT OF GOOD
BACKGROUND INFORMATION ENTERED INTO IT,
I NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT MUCH
ABOUT THE 2 AUTHORS. IT WAS FIRST
RELEASED IN THE SUMMER OF 1978, AND
ABOUT A YEAR LATER WAS FOLLOWED BY THE
BOOK BY BERLITZ & MOORE, THE
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT: PROJECT
INVISIBILITY. NOW IT IS INTERESTING TO
NOTE, THAT THE 2 BOOKS BOTH MAKE
REFERENCE TO AN INTERVIEW WITH A
SCIENTIST INVOLVED WITH THE ORIGINAL
PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, AND THEY USE
THE SAME CODENAME FOR THE SCIENTIST FOR
BOTH AND THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT
THE AUTHOR'S DESCRIBE WHERE THEY WENT TO
INTERVIEW THE MAN AT HIS HOUSE AND HIS
CONNECTION WITH A HUGE COLLECTION OF
BOOKS AND CATS AND SO FORTH, ALL OF THIS
TOOK PLACE WHERE I LATER MET NANOIMAN
UNDER HIS NEW NAME. THEY INTERVIEWED
THE MAN AND THEY VERY DEFINITELY
ACQUIRED CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF
BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THEY DISGUISED
THE NAME OF COURSE, BUT NEVER THE LESS,
NANOIMAN IS ALIVE, I HAVE FOLDERS THAT
CAN PROVE I THINK QUITE CONCLUSIVELY
THAT THE MAN WHO RUNS UNDER THE
PSEUDONYM IS THE ORIGINAL NANOIMAN, AND
OCASSIONALLY HE TALKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL
MAN.
CALLER EIGHTEEN,...Las Vegas,.. I agree
that this is an incredible story, in
fact I saw it in the theatre in 1984,
but that was fiction, not a
doccumentary.
THEY TELL?TAILED IT AS FICTION, YES.
Well I don't by it, I majored in
electrical engineering, and everything
that you have said is bunk!
WELL YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINIONS.
No it's not an opinion,... Ok sir, what
specifically can you prove is bunk?
...Ok, your statement that Maxwell's
equations are not complete, well I have
a book here it's called Engineering
Electromagnetics that derives Maxwell's
equations, step by step, going back to
Coolams Law, there is nothin missing
there! And secondly, your contempt that
you would need...Ok Al do you want to
tackle one of these?
OK, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOMAS E.
BEARDON?, WELL HE HAS GONE THROUGH THAT
ALSO AND DERIVED THAT THE ORIGINAL
MAXWELL EQUATIONS, AS WRITTEN BY
MAXWELL, IN THE HAND WRITTEN VERSIONS,
WHICH ARE WELL OVER 100 YEARS OLD, ARE
NOT WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE UNIVERSITIES,
BECAUSE DR. HEAVYSIDE IN 1875 FOUND THEY
WERE HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY COULD
NOT ACCEPT THE IDEA IN THE DENOMINATOR
(E) AS THE ELECTROSTATIC FIELD WAS IN
MAXWELL'S ORIGINAL EQUATION STATED THAT
IT PROPAGATES INSTANTANEOUSLY THROUGHOUT
THE UNIVERSE, WHICH WOULD IMMEDIATELY
VIOLATE ALL OF THE IDEAS OF RELATIVITY
AND (C) BEING THE LIMITING SPEED OF THE
UNIVERSE. THAT PART HAS BEEN
ILLIMINATED FROM MOST OF THE COLLEGE
TEXTS, NOW YOU MAY HAVE SOME TEXTS THAT
SHOW THE ORIGINAL, I AM NOT FAMILIAR
WITH EVERY BOOK THAT IS AROUND, BUT NONE
THE LESS, THEY TEACH A TRUNCATED VERSION
BY HEAVYSIDE IN 1875 TO SIMPLIFY THE
EQUATIONS AND TO MAKE THEM MORE
UNDERSTANDABLE.
All right, you're over my head..
CALLER NINETEEN,...Alaska,..Hello I'd
like to find out all there is to know
about Nicholas Tesla, I think he was one
of the greatest men who ever lived. I
called before,.. Ok, well we only allow
one call per customer, so we'll have to
pass this one by, thank you.
CALLER TWENTY,...San Diego,..Hello I
have 3 quick questions, you were about
to tell us who shot JFK, but you were
interupted.
THE BEST TESTIMONY AND ENHANCED
PICTURES OF THE SEPRUDER FILM, INDICATE
THAT IS WAS DONE BY THE DRIVER.
Then please tell me, is ex-President
George Bush, which is a part of the new
world order. why did he allow himself to
loose the election, and my third brief
question, is President Clinton now, is
he part of it?, does he have all this
information and is he going to be
successful?
LET'S START WITH GEORGE BUSH, HE WAS
PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, HE DOES NOT
RUN IT. HE WAS ONE OF THE PAWNS, THE
GEARS IN THE WORKS SO TO SPEAK. HE HAD
A GREAT DEAL OF POWER, HE WAS FORMER
DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, BEFORE HE BECAME
PRESIDENT AND HE KNEW A GREAT MANY
THINGS BUT HE ALSO WAS LIMITED IN HIS
POWER, HE TOOK ORDERS FROM A HIGHER
AUTHORITY IN THIS COUNTRY AND SO DOES
CLINTON. NOW WHERE CLINTON IS GOING TO
GO WITH ALL OF THIS IS HARD TO SAY
BECAUSE THE SCENARIO IS NOT DETERMINED
BY THE PRESIDENT, IT IS NO LONGER
DETERMINED BY THE CONGRESS OR THE
SENATE, THEY ARE DICTATED TO UP AND DOWN
THE LINE. YOU REALLY HAVE TO GET THE
BOOK THE 'COMMITTEE OF 300' AND OTHER
MATERIAL TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WHOLE
THING IS ORCHESTRATED. CLINTON WAS
BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BEFORE HE BECAME
GOVENOR OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS.
CALLER TWENTY 0NE,... California,.. This
is a fascinating program, sorry we
missed a good part of it, is there a
chance to get a tape on it?.. Yes stay
tuned and I'll tell you where you can
get a copy.
CALLER TWENTY TWO,... Bellingham,
Washington,..I put your show on at one
oclock to go to sleep, and let me tell
yah, I'm wide awake.. I have a few
questions for Al, first off, are you
familiar with William Supa, OH
YES,..and do you agree?...
I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT HE SAYS IN
TERMS OF THE POLITICAL SENSE, I THINK
THAT HIS INFORMATION IS BEEN VERY
ACCURATE, THERE IS SOME DISPUTE OF
COURSE, HE IS THE ONE THAT HAS PUSHED
THE THEORY IN THE IDEA BASED ON THE
FILMS THAT HE HAS SHOWN THAT MR. GREER,
THE DRIVER THAT ULTIMATELY ASSASSINATED
PRESIDENT KENNEDY, THERE WERE OTHERS
THAT FIRED SHOTS, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS
OF THAT.
I've seen the films and Greer did
definitely pull the trigger.
AND EVEN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE 1963
PHOTO'S PUBLISHED OF THE ORIGINAL
SEPRUDER FILMS IN LIFE MAGAZINE, YOU CAN
CLEARLY SEE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT
ENHANCED, THAT THE DRIVER HAD HIS HANDS
OFF THE WHEEL AND THE SECRET SERVICE MAN
ON THE RIGHT SEAT HAD HIS HANDS ON THE
WHEEL. NEVER THE LESS, THERE IS SOME
DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, GREER WAS
THE FINAL AND ULTIMATE ASSASSIN. THERE
ARE OTHERS WHO CLAIM THERE WAS SOMEBODY
ON THE GRASSY KNOLL, WHO FIRED THE FATAL
SHOT, BECAUSE THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE
SHOT THAT CAME IN AT THAT LOW ANGLE.
Al they just buried John Conneley's body
and there are alot of people who wanted
the fragments in Conneley's body
examined. The family of Govenor
Conneley did not, apparently he has been
buried without examination. Would you
urge they exhume that body and take a
look?
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING I AM NOT
QUALIFIED TO ANSWER, IN TERMS OF WHETHER
OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THAT MUCH
OUT FROM HIS BODY, BECAUSE AFTERALL WHEN
THE BODY IS BURIED, IT DETERIORATES
FAIRLY RAPIDLY. THE EXAMINATION WOULD
HAVE HAD TO BEEN MADE VIRTUALLY AT THE
TIME OF DEATH OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER, BUT
SURELY THE BULLET FRAGMENTS WILL NOT
DETERIORATE.
CALLER TWENTY THREE,... Phoenix,
Arizona,.. apparently the gremlins are
busy at work, KQMF stopped carrying you
at 3:00 a.m. Mr. Bielech, Mr. Charles
Beardon, are you familiar with
him,..YES.. His Free Energy, do you
think that it's 'on'?
FREE ENERGY IS A VAST SUBJECT AND A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
THE RESEARCH ON THIS, AND NOT ONLY FROM
THE THEORETICAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO
FROM THE HARDWARE STANDPOINT, HAVE MADE
VARIOUS PIECES OF HARDWARE WORK.
MORE WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS IN
EUROPE AND JAPAN THAN IN THE USA &
ENGLAND. THOMAS SEARLE IS ONE THAT
HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, DR. SEIKO OF JAPAN
MAY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT HE'S VERY
TIGHT LIPPED IF YOU WILL, AND THOMAS E.
BEARDON HAS PUBLISHED A CONSIDERABLE
AMOUNT ON THIS SUBJECT, THERE HAVE BEEN
OTHERS LIKE BEDINNI, THERE'S A WHOLE
HOST OF NAMES OF PEOPLE, BRUCE T.
POLLOW'S 'N MACHINE', OF COURSE THE 'N
MACHINE' GOES BACK TO FARADAY, 200 YEARS
AGO FOR THE BASIC PRINCIPLE, AND IT HAD
BEEN PUBLISHED THOUGH HE DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHY IT WORKED.
SO THE USE OF FREE ENERGY IS A MISNOMER
IN A SENSE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
FREE LUNCH, THE ENERGY COMES FROM
SOMEWHERE'S. THE PROBLEM IS
UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT COMES FROM AND
WHY?
How about T. Hymner Beret? YES HE WAS
VERY SUCCESSFUL.
CALLER TWENTY FOUR,... Oh hi Art, just
one second, I want to turn my radio off,
..Ok Thank you. I am calling from
Alaska, you never did answer the UFO
question completely. Well he said
originally that with the original
experiment there was no connection, but
some of the technology is wound
together. ...Well wound together is a
little bit obscure, I was hoping for a
little bit more than that,... uhhh AL?
WELL IT'S DIFFICULT TO GIVE YOU MORE IN
THE TWO MINUTES, THE WHOLE ALIEN PROBLEM
HERE DEVOLVES DOWN TO THE FACT THAT WHEN
THE RIFT WAS TORN OPEN IN SPACE TIME
BETWEEN '43 & '83, IT ALLOWED LARGE
NUMBERS OF ALIENS THROUGH IN LARGE
SHIPS, AND THE MASS OF SIGHTINGS WHICH
OCCURED AND STARTED IN '47 ONWARD
DEVELOP TO A LANDING AT EDWARDS AIRFORCE
BASE IN '53, AND FINALLY AN AGREEMENT
SIGNED IN '54 BY EISENHOWER URGED ON BY
HIS ADVISORS BECAUSE WE COULD NOT COPE
WITH THEIR TECHNOLOGY, "SO MAKE ANY
AGREEMENT THEY WANT THAT IS WITHIN
REASON, WE'LL BUY TIME AND SEE IF WE CAN
FIGURE THIS OUT LATER. THE AGREEMENT
WAS OF NON-INTERFERENCE, TECHNICAL
EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE 2 GROUPS AND THAT
WE PROVIDE UNDERGROUND BASES FOR THEM,
IN WHICH THE CONSTRUCTION WAS STARTED IN
1959, AND A VAST NETWORK WAS BUILT,
INCLUDING A COMPLETE UNDERGROUND
RAILROAD SYSTEM TO INTERCONNECT THEM. I
SAY RAILROAD IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT,
THEY WERE MAGNETICALLY SUSPENDED AND
OPERATED VEHICLES, BUT THAT INVOLVED
MANY GROUPS COMING INTO PARTICIPATE.
THERE HAVE BEEN ALIENS ON THIS PLANET
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, BUT NOT IN LARGE
NUMBERS, AND THE LARGE NUMBERS ARE OF A
RESULT OF THE LOCKUP OF THE TWO
EXPERIMENTS.
We don't have alot of time caller,
anything else?, Yes I am very satisfied
with that answer, also how did that tie
in with what you would consider be diety
or supreme being or anything else along
those lines.
QUICK ANSWER, THERE IS A SUPREME DIETY,
I CANNOT DEFINE IT IN TERMS OF ORTHODOX
RELIGIONS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT, YES
THERE IS A SUPREME
DIETY AND EVEN THE ALIEN RACES
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BUT THEIR TERMINOLOGY
IS DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
CALLER TWENTY FIVE,... Albuquerque,
NM.,.. KNBA We hear you well, was Al the
man talking about the death ray, why is
it green?, is there a hue to luminosity
and ask him if thoughts have vibration.
GREEN IS A CHARACTERISTIC COLOR RELATED
TO SHALL WE SAY NOT ONLY INVISIBILITY
BUT ROTATING APPARENTLY AN OBJECT OUT OF
OUR UNIVERSE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
WHY THAT SPECIFIC COLOR OF GREEN, BUT
GREEN WAS ACTUALLY THE COLOR OF THE
SHROUDING FIELD AROUND THE ELDERIDGE, IT
WAS NOT PINK AS SHOWN IN THE MOVIE, AND
THE DEATH DAY SCENARIO WAS ALSO GREEN,
BUT THAT IS THE CHARACTERISTIC OF A
SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY.
CALLER TWENTY SIX,... San Francisco,.. I
have 2 questions, one was sort of
brought up by a previous caller, about
there being a supreme diety, being an
agnostic, I am curious as to whether
this supreme diety is worth worshipping,
or if it's supreme in terms of ability?
WELL THE MATTER OF WORSHIP IN TERMS OF
OUR NORMAL RELIGIOUS SENSE I THINK IS A
MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, NOW I KNOW
THERE ARE SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO WILL
JUMP DOWN MY THROAT FOR SAYING THAT, BUT
WHETHER YOU WORSHIP OR NOT OR CONSIDER
THE DIETY AS SOMEONE TO RESPECT AT A
DISTANCE IS ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE, THE
FACT THAT THERE IS A SUPREME DIETY IS
TESTIFIED TO BY MANY ALIEN RACES OR
GROUPS, BUT WHAT THEY CONSIDER THE
SUPREME DIETY IS PERHAPS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT, IT IS NOT INDIVIDUALIZED AS
WE SEEM TO DO, IT'S CONSIDERED AS A
DRIVING FORCE OR POWER IN THE UNIVERSE.
Good answer, and I don't blame you, ok,
anything else caller? That's very
consistant with my view, and my second
question being fairly practical is could
he list at least three, since we can
effect the future, what would be the 3
foremost things we could avoid doing,
such as nuclear wars, holocaust, planet
explosions, environmental disaster, what
he would reccommend we work our hardest
at?
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, OFF THE TOP OF
MY HEAD I WOULD SAY, NUMBER ONE: YOU
NEED TO AVOID AN ECOLOGICAL DISASTER,
FROM OUR POLLUTION, THAT DOES NOT MEAN
WE RUDUCE OUR INDUSTRY, BECAUSE THAT'S
THE WAY SOME PEOPLE, 'GREENPEACE' WOULD
LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT JAPAN HAS SOLVED
THEIR PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF POLLUTION AND
THEY HAVE KEPT THEIR INDUSTRY.
NUMBER TWO: TO AVOID ANOTHER TYPE OF
DISASTER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING AND FAST TO PREVENT THE
ECONOMIC DISASTER THAT IS CLOSING DOWN
ON US, NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES,
BUT WORLD WIDE, AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BACKGROUND OF THE
BANKING SYSTEM YOU WILL FIND THAT THE
WORLD BANKING SYSTEM IS SETUP ON A BASIS
WHEREBY IT IS DESIGNED TO LITERALLY MILK
THE VARIOUS COUNTRIES AND THE VARIOUS
PEOPLE IN THESE COUNTRIES.
THERE IS ONE OTHER ASPECT ONE HAS TO
CONSIDER AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT WE
ARE GROSSLY OVERPOPULATED ON THIS
PLANET, AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING MASS
EXTERMINATION, I'M MERELY STATING THAT
PEOPLE HAVE TO ASSUME A LOT MORE
RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF REPRODUCTION.
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