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News on a UFO report
By Bill Cox FLORIDA TODAY - and - USA TODAY News Papers
June 28, 1987
Accusations fly as "ufologists" air concerns
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"Information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for. I think the
records are compelling, and yet most Americans aren't even in- formed about
it."
Dale Goudie, UFO Information Service
WASHINGTON DC - Two million people watched two mammoth unidentified flying
objects cruising at low altitudes between Argentina and Chile on the
afternoon of Aug.17, 1985. Soil and vegetation samples under- went
significant biochemical changes following a UFO landing at Trans en
Provence, France, on Feb.8, 1981. After cataloguing nearly 6,000 UFO's over
40 years the Italian government in 1984 directed its Air Force to keep a lid
on the in- vestigations. Such claims were made here Saturday by UFO
investigators from around the planet as the International Symposium on
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena entered its second day. The meeting, at the
American University, drew more then 400 people, along with representatives
of an assortment of media, including Penthouse magazine, the Voice of
America, Strange Magazine, Omni magazine. The Soviet news agency Tass,
WKSG-FM in Detroit and the People's Daily news paper of China. They
registered to hear international speakers from as far away as Australia and
Great Britain accuse their respective governments of UFO cover-ups. Mr.
Dale Goudie of Seattle Washington, displaying documents that report on Air
Force investigation of a purported UFO landing at Kirtland Air Force Base in
New Mexico in 1980, asserted he was getting support from a handful of
congressional leaders to conduct hearings on the phenomenon. "We are not
going after these things as UFO's" Goudie said, distributing documents that
he obtained through the Free Of Information Act and that were compiled by
the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Goudie said, "We'er going
after it as a national security problem," If these bases were indeed
penetrated -- as they apparently were -- then the NSA ( National Security
Agency ) should have interpreted that as an aggressive act, as an act of
war. " This information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for,"
Goudie said. "I think the records are compelling, and yet most Americans
aren't even informed about it. For some reason, the mass media is reluctant
to pursue this thing and I don't understand why. Tom Dooley of San Antonio,
who said he worked for the NSA from 1978 to 1982, also voiced concern over
the alleged UFO penetrations of Kirtland. "Yes, it does disturb me," he
said. Not because there were necessarily these UFO's that got in but
because it means that anything could get away with something like that.
Dooley said the NSA isn't involved with collecting UFO data. I'm sure if
they were so concerned about flying saucers, they would've said something to
me about it, he said I was a founding secretary for the Fund For UFO
Research back in 1978. I made no secrets about it. I even had bumper
stickers pasted on my locker. The premise at the symposium this weekend has
been that UFOs do exist. In paying homage to the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
a former Air Force investigator and UFO skeptic-turned-believer, Temple
Univer- sity historian David Jacobs said Hynek's death last year marking the
end of an era. If a new era is emerging in "ufology" -the study of UFO's
-it is concerned with the recent and prevalent accounts of people having
been abducted for short periods by alien beings, some say. "Now, we're in a
situation of looking back at the external characteristics of the phenomenon
we've compiled over 40 years, and looking ahead to the motivations of the
intelligence behind the phenomenon," Jacobs said. We are on the verge of an
intellectual breakthrough of incalculable....importance. For Zhang Yunwen,
a Washington D.C. correspondent for China's People's Daily, the UFO
symposium was too good a story to pass up. "No I have no information on
attitudes of our government on the UFO's," Zhang said. I don't think our
government is involved. But I do believe readers in China are interested in
this. It's not religious, it's not superstitous - it's a mystery. You can
be skeptical about this, but I think there are quite a few good sight- ings
which need some kind of research.
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Washington D.C.
Press Conference
The UFO Information Service from Seattle, Washington gave a press conference
in Washington D.C. on the 25th of June, 1987 at the National Press Club, to
show cause to have "Congressional Hearings" open hearings, concerning
landings of UAO's, "Unauthorized Aerial Objects" sometimes referred to as
UFO's, meaning Unidentified Flying Objects, in or about "Top Military Air
Bases" and to show the press that the military men on these bases described
the UAO's that landed as round disk shaped objects.
CUFON, and the UFO Information Service, uses the term of UAO or UAO's. What
then is a UAO and just what does that mean:
A UAO, is or was a UFO, but after all investigations
and all analysis have been done and it shows that the
object or objects are real and solid then it becomes
a UAO, an Unauthorized Aerial Object, another words
you can no longer call it an "Unknown or Unknowns" or
even Unidentified Flying Object, UFO. This is
because you know or have already identified it by the
investigation and analysis and proved that it was
real and was there, so it then becomes or is
"Unauthorized"
Dale D. Goudie
Director of UFO Information Service
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- B L U E P E A C E -
BLUE PEACE: Blue peace, is a new organization which will be taken over all
operations of trying to get "congressional Hearings" open hearings
concerning this subject matter of Military and Govern- ment cover-up. Blue
Peace, is NOT a UFO orgatization perse but is a Civilian interest
organization. There will be more information up- coming on Blue Peace, in
the next few weeks and also what it will take to become a member of this
organization. There will soon be two CUFON, mother system on line. This
meaning two phone number that can be used at the same time. One will be set
to run at 300 Baud and the other will run at 1200 Baud bps. We are thinking
of running them both at 300 and 1200 baud bps. We will let all members and
uses know when this service starts. Once again thank you, for supporting
CUFON, & UFO Information Service. Also "Blue Peace" will be putting out a
new Journal, the name of this Journal will be called "The Journal For Blue
Peace" This journal will have all types of information for this subject
matter and others a long with upcoming information on trying to get these
"Congressional Hearings" held.
BLUE PEACE, will need all the help they can get to bring about these
hearings so please support this cause in the interests of "truth" concerning
this very important subject matter.
PLEASE NOTE: Blue Peace is not a new age movement or new age organization,
but blue peace is to get the truth out to people who would like or who
should know the truth about this subject matter and how it relates to them
as Americans, and to others people of the world.
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The Seattle Times Friday, May 8, 1987
60,000 sightings can't be wrong, Seattleite insists "The bottom line is:
Don't believe me, but do read what is available."
Dale Goudie
By Peter Lewis
Times Staff Reporter
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In their most commonly reported from, the aliens have large heads and stand
3 to 4 feet tall. Their enormous eges rest under a transparent helmet.
Clad in jumpsuits adorned with insignias, the humanoids walk in sure,
positie movements. Far out, Maybe so, but that's where they probably come
from. And Seattle resident Dale Goudie has talked to people who say they've
seen them. Goudie has spent the past 14 years researching UFOs and using
the Freedom of Information Act to collect federal documents that he contends
prove UFOs exist.
The official position of the U.S. Air Force, for example, is htat it got
out of the UFO business when Project Bluebook ended in 1969. But Goudie
says the Blueb ood was succeeded by Project Aquarius. Since 1942, there
have been an estimated 60,000 UFO sightings in the United States alone and
only 5 percent of sightings are actually reported, Goudie says. Feeding
characteristics of the 60,000 sight ings into a computer, 250 diffent shapes
emerged, suggesting to Goudie that there may be more than one species
involvedin UFOs. "The bottom line is: Don't believe me, but do read what is
available." says Goudie, who has dedicated a room in his home to countless
files and papers on UFOs. "Thte real problen is, no o ne wants to take the
responsibility of telling the American public this (UFOs) is real." Consider
a series of once classified material on Project Aquarius: A Air Force
document dated Nov. 17, 1980 from the Office of Special Investigatio ns at
Rolling Air Force Base in Washington, D.C., to OSI at Kirtland Air Force
Base in New Mexico refers to a "request for photo imagery interpretation."
Other papers indicate that the request stemmed from a series of "alleged
sightin gs of unidentifiend aerial lights" over the Manzano Wepons Storage
Area at Kirtl and between Aug. 8 and Sept. 3, 1980. An analysis of at
least two pictures of t he sightings concluded that the film was unaltered
and that they were "legitimat e negative(s) of (an) unidentified areial
object," according to the Nov. 17,1980 , document.Of the two confirmed
sightings, one "contained a trilateral insignia on the lower portion of
objects..." The document also states : "The offical U. S. government
policy and results of Project Aquarius is still classified top se cret with
no dissemination outside official intelligence channels. ...Because of a
chance of public disclousure, no knowledgeable personnel with SPA (it's not
c lear if SPA stands for Special Project Aquarius, or something else) will
be prov ided..." But another Air Force document dated Jan. 25,1983, says
"possible unau thorized release of classified material" cast doubt on the
authencity of the Nov 17,1980, document. The later document says the
earlier one included noexistent officers, and it sought to discredit the
vality of the purported imagery interpretation. When a Freedom of
Information request letter dated Feb. 20,1986, so ught information on
Project Aquarius, the National Security Agency responded, in part,with a
letter dated March 3, 1986: "Please be advised that Project Aquarius does
not deal with unidentified aerial objects. We, therfore, have no informa -
tion to provide you on the subject." But when Sen. John Glenn wrote the
Nationa l Security Agency on Jan. 7 of this year on behalf of a constituent
who ws havin g trouble getting responses to Freedom of Information requests
about Project Aqu arius , the reply letter, dated Jan. 27, said in
part:"Apparently there is or ws an Air Force project by that name which
dealt with UFOs. Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name.
The NSA project does not deal with UFOs...." It is Goudie's contection that
the responses about Project Aquarius demonst rate the government is saying
one thing and doing another. He theorizes that the government is reluctant
to admit the existence of even one UFO because as soon as it does, it feas
opening the door to mass hysteria. Spokesmen for the Pent agon, the Air
Force and the National Security Agency either declined comment or deined
that any government agency is actively investigating UFOs. The Air Force
quit studying UFOs in 1969 after a $500,000 study conducted by the
University of Colorado concluded that "UFO phenomena do mot offer a fruitful
field in which to look for major scientific discoveries," according to Capt.
Jay DeFrank. DeF rank noted that in 1977,President Carter asked the
National Aeronautic and Space Adminsitration to look into the possibility of
resuming active investigation of UFOs. This is the same man who in 1973,
when he was governor of Georgia, said "I don't laugh at people anymore when
they say they have seen UFOs because I've seen one myself." NASA spokesman
Dave Garrett recalls that agency's response to the president: "We said,
'Thank you, but no thank you.' We have never been in the business." Dennis
Chadwick, chief spokesman for the National Security Agency at Fort George
Meade in Maryland, an arm of the pentagon, would not say whether NSA or any
other government agency is actively investigating UFOs. Goudie, a
45-year-old freelance ad man and former TV talk-show producer, is not
deterred by the government's stance. Two years ago, he established a
computerized UFO bu lletin board- CUFON (for Computer UFO Network)- that has
more than 1,400 members .It spits out information, free of charge, to anyone
with a computer and a modem . He also runs UFO Information Service
International, a global network of UFO sightings, and Puget Sound Aerial
Phenomena Research Inc. None of these enterp rises, he says, is a
money-making operation. Goudie says he and others like him have been helped
in their many Freedom of Information requests by military per - sonal who
want the public to know about UFOs, but who can't afford to be named.
Many of the documents he's obtained indicate that "suspicious unknown air
activity" has occurred at top-security military installations where nuclear
weapons are st ored. The documents relating to UFOs dropping in on Air
Force bases have been p ublished elsewhere - and professional skeptics such
as Phillip Klass, an editor with "Aviation Week & Space Technology," have
written books debunking the authenticity of those and others sightings. But
Goudie notes the government itself has never volunteered any information,
much less any explanations, about UFOs at mi litary bases. "You can explain
anything away," says Goudie, referring to Klass and the other debunkers.
"But thewe aren't solid answers." Goudie also says he has consulted with
"optical physicists" who have performed "video-negative phot oanalysis" of
videotapes of UFOs to substantiate that the object are not of this earth.
Goudie also says he has interviewed about 40 people over the years who claim
to have been abducted by UFOs. All occured in rural areas, including some
episodes outside Redmond, in Maple Valley and north of Seattle. He thinks
abou t three-fourths of thm are telling the truth. In many cases, the
victums have suffered physical scars that they didn't have before their
encounter, Goudie say s. "I've tried to get these people to come forward.
They don't want anything t o do with newspapers. They're scared to death of
losing their jobs..." Conside ring the threat to national security and the
resk to civillians, Goudie believe s the government has an obligation to be
more forthcoming. You don't have to lo ok to far away places for physical
evidence of UFOs, according to Goudie. He ha s a videotape of an object
flying over Tacoma in 1982, enhance by a process know n as "video photo
analysis" which allows the viewer to see vertical and hortizo ntal lines
within what Goudie calls "the plasma" that covers the true shape with in.
He expects the video to air on sunday's "Town Meeting" on KOMO. Television
, specifically a Dick Cavett show that aired in 1973, started Goudie's
preoccupa tionwith UFOs. He's since appeared on CNN's Larry King Show and
CBS-TV network news shows, among others. He spent countless hours and
dollars pursuing UFOs.
His goal, he says is to see the subject become an area of seious scientific
inqu iry. "I'm doing it because I think people deserve the facts, and no
one's taking the time to do it."
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