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Finale Digest for 2/95
Finale 1995-02 TEXTttxt ?? ?nv??sD Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:21:36 CDT
Sender: [email protected]Dte: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:17:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Hertzing Bill <hertzing@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Repl-T: [email protected], [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected]
CC: Finale@HSUedu [email protected]
Subject: Re: Students price!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950214001514.1165B-10000@ove.acs.unt.edu>
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On Fri,10 Fe 1995 Dave Lorand wrote:
> >> Hello there Finale-users!
> >>
> >> I am a Swedish studen (not usic-sudent though) and I have heard that there
> >> is a special students-price when you by Final in theUSA. I am from Sweden
> >> (no we don't have any polar-bears) and here you have to ay about940 $ fo
> >> Finale. I think that this is to expensive for a student and I wonder what he
> >> tudent prce is, and where you can buy it.
> >>
> >> I am going to Santa, Fe N.M. in Ma and I thik that thee is a university in
> >> Albuequerque (spelling?). Can I find it there?
> >
> >
> >orry to disppoint you, but the bookstore here at the University of New
> >Mexico (in lbuquerque) oes not stoc Finale. I think they would be
> >willing to special order it, though I on't beleive ou would wantto do
> >that as they (the bookstore that is) can at times be rather sow about
> >t. They probaby would not want to sell to a student that was not
> >enrolled in UN either. Howeve, for what it i worth, the educational
> >discount price is still $250 dollars USI think. Sorry i this isn't much
> >help but I hope you enjoy your trip.
>
> I got mine for $19 at a software sore near my parens' home - the place
> happens to do educational discounts. Youmight call CODA an ask where you can
> buy Finale with the discount - that's how I found this stor, except it was
> different company hat I called (I forget which).
>
> Dave
>
Keep in mindthat you may have toflash a Student I.D.and sign some
paperwork. That's what I had to do.
Jut my $.02 :-)
Bill ertzing
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Archive-ate: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 2:12:12 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Tue,14 Feb 1995 00:06:57 -000 (PST)
From: Alan Chpman <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: e: A comment on tied accdentals
To: [email protected], [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.502140057.C5599-0100000@cougar>
MIME-Version: 10
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Larr Worster's tie-at-the-end-of-a-measure method:
I type a value less than te desired value, hit the
qual key creating the tie, hit back arrow wih my thumb,
and type the crrect value moving forward t the next measure.
That's what I do, exept I use Quickeys to automat it:
F8 = tied 8th note
F = tied quarter note
etc.
BW, Quickeys has always been a aluable Finale tweaker for me.
Alan Chapman
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Achive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:40:0 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date Tue, 14 Feb 1995 06:44:57 +0200To: [email protected]
From: binkovcnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (John Bnkov)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Suject: Re: Students price!
Ibelieve one can get Finale at U.C. avis for $225. (Although,I wouldn't
want to try
do anything ele related to music there.)
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Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 995 09:42:14 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 14Feb 1995 09:44:12 -0500
From: bdsmithaardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Bradley Smith
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
ubject: Re: Re: Speeding up Finale
To:[email protected]
Mesage-ID: <v01510100ab666fc38868@[129.15.9.200]>
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>In regard to this speed-up discusson:
>I am usingMAXIMA Ram-Disk by CONNECTIX. This program copy all files to the
>RAM-Disk on startp and back at hutdown (i.e. Finale, ballon help, default>file etc.). It survives a crash and makes se of Ram-Dobler giving you the
>double size of really nstalled memory. My system has 12 MB real RA. This
>gves me 20 MB Ram for programs and 8 MB RAM-Dik size.
>I never had a problem with either RM-Double or Maxima.
>
>Regards
>
>Bernd van Ham (Venna/Austria)
>[email protected]
Several eople aid they are using Ram Doubler and Ram Disk on heir
machines. Do these programs slow down yor prcessor? All of the
advertisements for these prgrams ( mainly Ram Doubler ) state over and
agan hat they are completely compatable with all machies, but never say
anything about performance. Ao, I am using a PPC, and software that says
PPC cmpatable usually means that it is not in native cd, but emulates
well. Needless to say, it would e less than desirable having an emulated
progra copressing and decompressing information continualy while I need
RAM access. Do they interfere ith Fnale in any way?
Brad smith
Smith Resourcs
P.O. Box 2487
Norman, Ok 73070-2487
Fax(405) 30-5803
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Archive-ate: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:13:05 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
From: "Anthony Chavez <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: ue, 14 Feb 1995 09:12:40 -0700
Subject: SBSCRIBE DIGEST
Please add me to the Finale digest (if tere is one)... Thanks!
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Arcive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:53:11CDT
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb1995 10:26:49 -0700
To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (Ofer Ben-Amots)
Reply-o: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: Speedng up Finale
>Brad smith asks:
>Several people said the are using Ram Doubler and Ram Disk on heir
>machines. Do these prorams slow down your processor All of the
>advertisements for these pograms ( mainly Ram Doubler )state over and
>again that hey are completely compatable with all machnes, but never say
>anythin about performance. Also, am using a PPC, and software that says
>PPCcompatable usually means tht it is not in native code but emulates
>well. Needless to say, it woul be less than desirable haing an emulated
>programcompressing and decompressing information continully while I need
>RAM acess. Do they interfere ith Finale in any way?
>
I just strated using RmDoubler a weeks ago. I hink they should re-nam it:
SpeedDoubler. Everything works much faster, espcially Finale.
I am ow looking to buy Maxia's Ram Disk. For some reason, I cannot find
it in theMacWarehouse catalog aymore.
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@ Ofer Ben-Amots @
@ The Colorado College | @
@ Music Department | [email protected] @@ 14 E. Cache La Pudre | Tel: 719-389-6555 @
@ Colorao Springs, CO 8090 | ax: 719-389-6862 @
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Archive-Date:Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:59:33 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Te, 14 Feb 1995 1:54:56 -0600 CST)
From: Cindy Karen McTee PhD <mctee@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Reply-To: [email protected],[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950214115439.2624A-100000@joe.acs.unt.ed>
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SIGNOF Finale
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Archive-Dae: Tue, 14 eb 1995 1203:35 CDT
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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Dae: Tue, 1 Feb 1995 18:04:45 +0000
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Debbie Metrstry)
Rely-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: powerbook
Hello folks,
I've been havin problem with m server account which meant that I haven't
had any Finale list messages for ages (sice befoe Chritmas but the
problem is now solved) so please bear with me if this has already been
aswered
Hw do you change notes to rests or add notes in a chord in Speedy Entry on
a powerbook tht hasno nmber pad (therefore no 'clear' or 'num lock'
key)?
Debbie.
--------------------
Debbi Metusty
Top Type Music Bureau, Dublin &
Trinity College, Dublin
Tel&Fax:+353-1-6261409
dmtrstrytcdie
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Archive-Dae:Te, 14 Feb 1995 12:17:56 CDT
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:13:44 -0600(T)
From: Brian J Campbell <brianjc@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To: Finale Mail-list <[email protected]>
Subject: Thanks
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950214121024500C-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
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Thns again for all the suggestions on Speed and Ties on Finale. I
don't know where I would be wo tislist (other than on the phone or
waiting for Coda to call be back!). I'm now seriously coniderng
getting hold of RamDoubler and the compatible RAMdisk (as well as maybe a
couple more mes!!)
Brian Campbell
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Elvis Presley?" --- Gerry Mulligan speaking on Bil Clinton 2/795
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Archive-Dat: Tue, 14 Fe 1995 12:44:43 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 199511:42:21 -0700(MST)
From: ark Basinski - UA School of Music <[email protected]>
Reply-To [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Mac fin 3.2 fix for "Clear" key on Powerbook
o: [email protected]
Message-ID: [email protected]>
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Debbie -
Version 3.2 adds a new function to deal with the problem (no "lear"
key on Powebooks): "shift-deete" will do the same functions as "clear"
The bad new is you o have to upgrade (f you haven't alredy) but the good
news is that 3.2 is worth the price for th new smart slurs aloe (but be sure
to et the 3.2.1 fix as well!).
Mark Basinski
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Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 1:32:08 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Dte: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:31:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Barry rsaki <[email protected]>
Reply-To: FinaleSHSU.edu, [email protected]
To: [email protected], Sebastian A. Birch" <[email protected]
Subject: Re: A comment on tied accidentals
Messae-ID: <Pine.[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Sbastian A. Birch wrote:
>
> 2) What is thesimplest way to enter a tieat the and of a measure?
I use FinWin 3.0.4. I'm not absolutely sur this works because it's one
of those automatic thingsthat I just don't think about anymore. Anywy,
if memory serves, this i what I do.
In speedy noe entry, using a keyboard, I simply type he key
combination, [=] . The left bracket moves back t the previous
measure, the cursor is lready on the last note of the easure, so the =
ties it ove, and the right bracket moves back tothe next measure
with a tie wating to be attached to a note.
Try it and see how it goes for yu!
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| Barry Ursaki |-_ + Good musicians excute their music. |
| Saskatoon,SK | -_ + |
| Cnada. /\| | + Bad ones murder it! |
| \/ | + |
| <[email protected]> | + |
| or /\| + Hug a Musician... |
|<[email protected]> \/ + they never get to dace. |
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Archive-ate: Tue, 14 Feb 195 13:41:53 CDT
Sender: owner-finale@SHSUedu
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:41:29 EST
rom: [email protected] (Rich Rinehart)
Reply-To:[email protected], [email protected]
Message-ID <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: SIGNOFF
IGNOFF
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Archive-Date Tue, 14 Fe 1995 15:41:23 CDT
Sender: owner-finale@SHSUedu
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:36:56 -0600 (ST)
From William Christopher Neale <[email protected].state.mo.us>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject:
To: Finale Usrgroup <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.9.950141524.A27965-0100000@services>
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hep finale
****************************************************
* William C. (Crs) Neale, Asst. Principal *
* Lebaon High School *
777 Brice *
* Lebanon, MO 65536 *
* Voice: (417) 532-9144 *
* Fax: (417)532-504 *
* Interet: [email protected].mo.us *
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Archive-Date: Te, 14 Feb 1995 15:42:05 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:42:48 -0600 (CS)
From: [email protected]
eply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: lyric font alignment in Fin Mac mne
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version:1.0
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Content-Trnsfer-Encoding: 7BIT
One of my studens has entered lyris and they are <centered> under the
notheads, instead of flush left. I cannotfigure out how to chnge
the alignment of lyricUs. Suggestons?
Thanks
-Carolyn Bremer
Uniersity of Oklahoma
[email protected]
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Arcive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:17:43 CD
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Fro: [email protected]
Rely-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 95 12:46:44 -0800
Subject: Beming
To: [email protected]
Oka...I've had Finale for a week r two now, and am proceeding well. Most of
what I need to do for pecussion notation I have figuredout. I have only two
questions tat I can't seem to find addresse in the manual.
1) Is there a wy to split staves by note? I brig in MIDI files of the part
frm Cakewalk, and in order to sound riht on the sampler, the intervalsfor
the tonal drums are what hey sound like, however when they are otated, the 4
drums are supposd to be in the spaces. Idealy, I'd like to split the one
staff contining the part into 4 others b note #, then transpose them
individually and recombine them. If ther's no easy way in Finale, I gess
I'll just break down ad write a .CAL script to do it in Cakewalk.
2) How can I make 32nd nots beam differently? Rightnow, the only way I seem
to be able to beam tem is 3 beams across all 8 otes (or with 16th note
riplets, 2 beams across all 6 notes). Ideally, want 2 groups of 4 notes,
triple beamed, connecte by one beam (for 16th note triplets, 2 groups of
notes, double beamed, cnnected by one beam). t makes it easier for some of
the younger players t feel the 8th note seein them this way. I cant seem to
do it? Is it possible?
Thanks in advanc.
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Archiv-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 199 17:06:52 CDT
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb1995 17:06:50 -0600To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Henry Howey)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Beming
Welcome to the Finale List! The most commonly heard phrse is "Read The
Fnale Manual" or TFM for short.
>1) Is there a way to split staves by note?
Thi is under Mass Moer. Highlight he area in question and look on the
menu for Split Staves.
>
>2 How can I make 2nd notes beamdifferently?
This is a Special Tools function. Look it up.
Enjoy!
Henry owey
Profesor
Department of Music
Sam Houston State University
Huntsville, T 77341
[email protected]
FAX (409) 294-3765
W (409) 294-1364
H (409) 291-0626
Owner of FINALE iscussion Lis
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Arcive-Date: ue, 14 Feb 1995 18:02:13 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
From: Bill Matthes <wmatthewabacus.baes.edu>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: lyric font alignment in Fin Mac
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:59:47 -0500 (EST)
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But you'd want the *vowel* unde the noehead yes? That's common
practice as I understand it. Centering comes closer to doing tha?
Bll Mtthews
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:29:45 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Dat: ue, 14 Feb 95 19:22:46 PST
From: Earl Hough <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Latest version of Finale for Windows
To: [email protected]
MessageID<Chameleon.4.01.1.950214192453.pp000952@ .interramp.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLI charset=US-ASCII
What is the most current version of Finale that is available for Windows? I currently using 3.0.2 but I have seen references to 3.0.4. Unfortunately
I seemed to have gottn umped" from the mailing list so I missed several
weeks of messages.
Any input would be grealy preciated.
Earl Hough
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Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:56:18 CDT
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Dae: Te, 14 Feb 1995 19:02:05 -0700
To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (Ofer Ben-Amots)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subjct: Re lyric font alignment in Fin Mac mne
Carolyn Bremer writes:
>One of my stdents hasenteredlyrics and they are <centered> under the
>noteheads, instead of flush left. I canot figureout how o change
>the alignment of lyricUs. Suggestions?
The general rule regardig alignmentof lyricsis the following:
- A syllable that is assigned for one note shold be centerd.
- A sylable sung over two or more notes should be flush left.
My imprssion is thatFinale doesnot recognizes how many notes are
assigned for a single syllables. If I a wrong, I shoud at least isist
that the feature is sporadic and arbitrary. Of course, you always ave the
optionto move the sllables manually. In this case your student should
leave it to the vey last fine-tunng of the scor.
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| Ofer Ben-Amos | |
| The Colorado College | |
| MusicDepartment | [email protected] |
| 14 E. Cche La Poudre Tel: 719-389-555 |
| Colorado Springs, CO 80903 | Fax: 719-389-862 |
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Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:26:8 CDT
Sender: [email protected]
Date:Tue, 14 Feb 95 21:26:35 EST
From: Thomas Kunz <[email protected]>
Reply-o: [email protected], [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re Latest version of Finle for Windows
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
What is the most curret version of Finale that is available for Windows? I
> am currently using .0.2 but I have seen refrences to 3.0.4. Unfortunately
> I seemed to ave gotten "bumped" from th mailing list so I missedseveral
> weeks of messages.
>
The curren version is 3.0.4 and it hasan important bug or two fied
from 3.0.2. One of them is the bug thatyou couldn't change default
onts in a document. I'd gratly recommend you ftp it from
wuarchive.ustle.edu in the directory /pu/MSDOS_UPLOADS/music. The
ile is f302_4.exe and has the accompanyig text file f304wu.txt.
It neds to be installed directly ver top of 3.0.2 in order to work.
Hoe this helps
Tom
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Sender: owner-finaleSHSU.edu
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 2:30:34 EST
From: Dave Lorand <[email protected]>
Reply-To: FinaleSHSU.edu, [email protected]
To:[email protected], [email protected]
Mssage-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: powerook
Debbie,
My solution (fordoing Speedy Entry on a PowerBook)was to buy a numeric
keypadfor on the road and an extended keybord for home. Hard on the
budget tat way, though.
I thinkthere might actually be a way to fake clear key. I've never needed
to, o I didn't keep track ofwhatever told me this. I do know that y
PowerBook has an enter key right nxt to the spacebar. I's the same as the
enter key of the keyad. My PowerBook is a 520, so if your is not a 500-
seris you may or may not have one.
If you ind a software solution, I'd be interesed to see it.
God luck,
Dave
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rchive-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:46:17 CDTSender: [email protected]
Date: Tue,14 Feb 1995 2045:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Barry Ursaki <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected] [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: FinWin 3.0.4 upgradeMessage-ID <Pine.[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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This question has come p again, so I'll try to answer it for the mases
wo are still looking.
The upgrade is availableby anonymous ftp at:
wuarchive.wustl.edu n th /pub/msdos_uploads/music directory.
There ae actually two upgrades. One from 3.0 to 3.0.2 ndanother from
3.0.2 to 3.0.4. YOU MUST DO 3.0.2 BFORE 3.0.4. (unless you have 3.0.2
already)
or 3.0 to 3.0.2, download:
fin302.exe and fin30.txt
For 3.0.2 to 3.0.4, download:
f302_4ee and f304wu.txt
Both of the .exe files are actally self-extracting .zip files so be sure
to ut hem in a temp directory and extract them. From thre follow the
instructions in fin302.txt and hen dne with that upgrade, the reademe1st
file that ets extracted with f302_4.exe.
BTW, when did ths process, the 3.0.4 upgrade did not re-write te
readme file in my Finale directory. I ha to do tht manually. I figured
this out only because he Finale readme was smaller than the f302_.exe
reade file. The f302_4.exe readme file covers thefixes and enhancements
made in both upgrdes.
Ther you have it! As complete as I can possibly escribe it. As of
today, Feb. 14th/1995 all of the aboe mentioned files were still
available atthe above mentioned site. I checked!
have heard of a ile that goes straight from 3.0 to 3.0.4, ut, I don't
know where it is.
Hapy upgrading!!!!!
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| Bary Ursaki |-_ + Good musicians execute their usic. |
| Saskatoon, SK | -_ + |
| Canada. /\| | + Bad one murder it! |
| \/ | + || <[email protected]> | + |
| or /\| + Hug a usician... |
| <[email protected]> \/ + theynever get to dance. |
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Archive-Date Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:09:34 CDT
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 00:16 CT
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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Thomas Schaller)
ReplyTo: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: lyric font alignmentin Fin Mac mne
>
>One o my students has entered lyics and they are <centered> under the
>noeheads, instead of flush left I cannot figure out how o change
>the alignment of lyricUs. Suggesions?
Lyrics are always cntered underneath the notheads. If you want to flush
left, you have to udge manually. All the flus left/right command doesis
to align verses (that are selected) left or rght. Now that is not alway
true.
For selectin verses I've set up a shortkey in Quickeys that wors
excellent and is a gret relief if you have lts of verses stacked
underneath - because what usualy happens: you have selced the syllables
of 2 verses successfully and when you try to shift-click o #13 you move
our mous a little bit and al of a sudden those lyrics are not in place
anymore.
><<>><<>><<>><<
ThomasSchaller
(312) 9223616
Chicago, IL 60605
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:4:51 CDT
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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Jerry W. Kortge)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: inale 3.0 for acintosh
Barry Ursaki gave the upgrade details on Finale 3.0 for indows, does anyne know what he details are for Finale 3.0 for the Mac?
Jerry W. Kortge
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:55:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "avid J. Ross"<[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re lyric font lignment n Fin Mac mne
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You will probably get a flood of messages about this but . . .
Lyrics hould e centered except for those syllables that begin
melismatic passages, and they shoud be fluh lef. In order to get the
syllables flush left, choose Adjust Syllables from the Lyrics mnu,
slectthe note that goes with the syllable in question, select the box,
and use your arrow kes to mve he syllable flush left.
It would be nice if Finale would give the choice of centered or lush
lft in such cases, since they already offer a similar feature in
aligning verse numbers.
avidRss
Syracuse University
On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> Oe omy students has entered lyrics and they are <centered> under the
> noteheads, instead of flush ef I cannot figure out how to change
> the alignment of lyricUs. Suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Carolyn Bremer
> University of Oklahoma
> [email protected]
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:55:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "David J. Ross" <djrossmailo.syr.edu>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: lyric font alignmet in inMac mne
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You will probably get a flood of messages about this but . . .
Lyrics shoud be cenered xcept for those syllables that begin
melismatic passages, and they should be flush eft. In oder toget the
syllables flush left, choose Adjust Syllables from the Lyrics menu,
selct the not that ges with the syllable in question, select the box,
and use your arrow keys to moe the syllale flushleft.
It would be nice if Finale would give the choice of centered or flush
left in suc cases, snce they already offer a similar feature in
aligning verse numbers.
Davi Ross
Syracue Universiy
On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> Oneof my studentshas enteredlyrics and they are <centered> under the
> noteheads, instead of flush eft. I cannot igure out ho to change
> the alignment of lyricUs. Suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Carolyn Breer
> Universty of Oklahoma
> [email protected]
>
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:13:36 CDT
Snder: owner-finaleSHSU.edu
From:[email protected] (Bernd van Ham)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Speeing up Finale
Date:15 Feb 1995 14:1024 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
On 14.21995 at 15:44, FinaleSHSU.edu wrote:
> Several people said they are using Ram Doubler and Ram Dik on their
> machines Do these programsslow down your processor? All of the
> advertisements fr these programs ( mainy Ram Doubler ) stat over
> and again that they are completely compatable ith all machines, but
>never say anything abut performance. Also, I am using a PPC, and
> softwre that says PPC compatabe usually means that i is not in
> native code, but emulates well. Needess to say, it would be les
> than desirable havng an emulated program compressing and
> decomprssing information continualy while I need RAM acces. Do
> they interfere with Finale in any way?
Brad:
Connectix recommnds not to fill up the dobled Ram (or Ram-Disk) with
programs or file because then you will noticea big slowdown.
I try tokeep my Ram-Disk about half- to 3/4-full (o doubled RAM) which
gives me nough headroom (I back up m Finale files to Ram-disk, nice &
fast).
When working with Finale, I ty not to open any other larg programs 'cause
this again would slowdown Finale.
I guess the problm is obsolete when you have sfficent real Ram (like 20 MB
I wouldassume).
Ram-Doubler and Maxim run native on Power Mac.
Rgards
Bernd van Ham (Vienna/Austia)
[email protected]
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From: "Techno Prest" <[email protected]>Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 1:18:47 EST
Subject: verse number
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Can anyone tellme how to put in verse numbers
as n a Hymn?
When I triedto type in a number, Finale put the numer under the
first syllable. I cannot find anything aboutverse numbers
in the Index. I'm using inale 3.0.4 for Windows.
Thanks!
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Frm: [email protected] (Angus MacGyver)
[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Confiuring???
Hello all,
I have borrowed a frind computer while he's on holidays. I see it has
Fiale on it so I hooked it up with a keyboard. Nw th question : How do
you configure Finale 2.6.1 towork with a Juno 1? How do you use Finale,
te minium?
Thanks,
c ya,
Angus MacGyver
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From: [email protected]
Reply-To: FinaleSHSU.edu, [email protected]
Subject: Anoter comment on tied accidentals
>OnMon, 13 Feb 1995, Sebatian A. Birch wrote:
>
>> 1) What is te simplest way to enter a tie at theend of a measure?
Ok,here's my $.02 worth - it could be a reteration of the responses posted
rcently, maybe not. A few mnths ago, a guy on AOL gave me a tip uing only
two steps that I have fond quite useful...
1) Entr the last note of the measure as a vlue larger than will fit (the
"Tere are too many beats..." diaog pops up)
2) Choose the third otion ("Move the extra notes...")- note: this only
needs to be one once per Finale session. Afterthat, all you need to do is
prss <Enter>.
Presto! You have atied note (or chord) over the barlne with the cursor on
top of he leftover note whose value you maychange if necessary.
This effetively becomes two steps: Ener a larger value then will fit and
pess <Enter>. There is simply no ther way quite as straightfoward.
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To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1995 10:17:37 -700
Subject: Where to find the update?
Where can IFTP the updater to final 3.0.1? Thanks
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:23:23 EST
From: Dave Lorand <[email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected]Message-ID:<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Re: Speeding up Finale
I've used RA Doubler o a variety of machines, and I've never noticed a
performance hit from it. t is also PPCnative no.
RAM disks, far from being a performance hit, are nothing but a boost. Thy
are way fster tha physical disks. Their only drawback is that they
use up some of your RAM.
ave
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From: [email protected]
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Sbject: Subscribe
SUBSCRIBE Finale "Mark Walker"
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Wed,15 Fe 995 11:53:41 CDT
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:43:37 -0600 (CST)
rom:weeHong Lim <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Seuenng Software Compatibility for Macs
To: Finale Discussion Group <[email protected]>
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Dear Finale people,
i am about to switch from IBM platform of the Finale to the Mac laorm
and i was wondering if anyone here know if there is any one particular
sequencing softwarefor e Mac that works well with Finale?
In my heydays of Win Finale, Cakewalk was, IMHO, the unbatabl hampion -
cost wise and functionally speaking. Is there such a thing for the Mac
environmet?
nelast request, can anyone recommend to me an inexpensive mac based
midi-interface?
i wold apprciae if you can reply to me directly so as to avoid
cluttering the list with unnecessary iformatio. iwill then attempt to
compile the responses for a final posting on this list dealing wth this
eques. i hope this would be acceptable to all.
regards,
swee hong
email: [email protected]
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Archive-ate: We, 15 Feb 1995 11:59:19 CDT
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Return-Path: <yuval>From: yuval@yclone.tu.ac.il (Yuval Shay-El)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Mssage-ID: <952151741.Z12778@cyclone.tau.ac.il>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:41:50 +0000
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Whn I upgraded frm WinFin 2. to WinFin 3.0.4 I hoped the music
spacing improved, however, I found ot that the defaut awkward spcing is
still a charachteristic of Finale. I know there are a lot of ools to
improve he look (I'm sing them all), however I think the defaults can
be better. In thispost I just want t relate to one"buggy" point:
When checking "Avoid collision of Notes and Accientals" in the
Musc Spacing Dialo Box Finale will add <enough> additional
space to ensure no ovelaping (WinFin 3, vo.3, p. 201). Quie
often, however, Finale adds <too much> space, for example, n beginnings
of measres, or when the ccidental is attached to a short note (it
might triple its ength, and also the legth of its "friend" in the same
note group). I couldn't find any option-parmeter which controls ths
additional space This means that all adjustments have to be done manuall.
Does such an option eist, somewhere in on of the (too many) option
dialog boxes?
Thanks,
Yval
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Department of Geopysics | Home address:
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:27:2 -0500
To: [email protected]
Frm: [email protected] (Dvid Froom)
Reply-To: [email protected],[email protected]
Subject: peeding up Finale
Does anyne have experience with speeding thigs up (in Mac) by increasing
the ize of the "system heap"? I hve only a vague understanding of wat
this is and what it does, but alittle application I stumbled aross, which
allows you to adjus this parameter, claims (in support aterials) that Mac
sets the siz of the heap too low, and thatincreasing the size means less
writig to disk of the system during oprations of other application --
thus increasing the speed of everthing.
Any advice would be welcme. If there is interest,I'll also fill people
in on the appliction, which is shareware.
David room - [email protected]
Music Department
St. Mary's Colege of Maryland
St. Mary's City, Mayland
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:53:33 GMTFrom: [email protected] (Patsy Moore)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
MessageID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: FinWin 3.0.4 upgrde
It's a sd reflection on our past experience of Coda t see that our first
thought when we wantinformation bout Finale updates etc. is to ask
each other Thanks to e-correspondonce with Coda follwing Jim Rppie's
recent contributions to the list I am nw expecting to receive the
FinWin 3.0.4 upate on dsk direct from Coda.
Could we try as a matterof routine writing direct to Coda at
[email protected]
as well as to the lit when we have a problem, mentioning when wewrit to the list that we are doing this? Coda will the get one
direct request for help to which I hpesomeone there will respond. If
Coda doesn't choosealso to write to the list about it the list memr
can pass on whatever they receive from Coda. Meanhile our mutual
support system can spring intoation as usual!
I thought Jim Rippie's communicaton with the list was a hopeful sign
which shold e encouraged. Comments?
--
Patsy Moore (patsyhpsl.demon.co.uk)
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 199 14:16:09 -0500
To: [email protected], [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Gil Plantinga)Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: R: Speeding up Finale
>Does anyone have exprience with speeding things up (in Mac) y increasing
>he size of the "system heap"? I have only avague understanding of what
>this is ad what it does, bt a little application I stumbled across, wich
>allows you to adjust this parameer, claims (in supprt materials) that Mac
>sets the size of he heap too low, and that increasing he size means less
>riting to disk of the system during operaions of other applications --
>thusincreasing the speed ofeverything.
>
>Any advice would be welome. If there is interest, I'll alo fill people
>in on theapplication, which is shareware.
>
f you're talking about "Heap Fixer it only applies to Macs runing system
6.0x. System 7 manages th system heap automatically.
Gi Plantinga
New Paltz, NY
(94) 255-2775
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 eb 1995 13:39:03 CDT
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 14:38:15 EST
From: [email protected] (Rich Rinhart)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Messag-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject Re: FinWin 3.0.4 upgrade
Patsy Moore writes:
>
>It's a sad refection on our past experience ofCoda to see that our first>thought when we want information about Fnale updates etc. is to ask
>ech other! Thanks to e-corrspondonce with Coda following Jim Rippie's>
...
>I thought Jim Rippi's communication with thelist was a hopeful sign
>which should be encuraged. Comments?
True butI thought Jim already exlained that in the thinking of "if it's
not brke, don't fix it", CODA has policy of supplying fies as people
call in with problems that warrant ending the fix out. That'sokay, I
suppose, as ong as I'm not missing out on additional functionalty that
I don't know abou.
On another note,I need to get off this list for now, as it's floodingmy
box with encreasingl diminishing returns Nothing personal, thanks all
for everything!!!
-ric
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From: [email protected] (Bernd va Ham)
Reply-To: [email protected] [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: R: Re: Speedig up Finale
Date: 15 Feb 1995 20:11:39 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
On 14.2.195 at 18:26, Ofer Ben-Amots:
> I am now looking to buy Maxima's Ram Dik. For some reaon, I cannt find
> it in the MacWarehouse catalog anymore.
Yeah, I know that, I hd to look thru'MacUser'to find someone who has it.
Maybe MacZone or MacMall, though I didn't find i just now whe I quicky
looked thru MacUser Feb.95.
As far as I remember the price is about $ 50.-
Regards
Bernd vn Ham (Vienna/Austria)
[email protected]
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To: [email protected], [email protected]
rom [email protected] (Thomas Schaller)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re verse umers
>Can anyone tell me how to put in verse numbers
>as in a Hymn?
>
>When I tried totype i number, Finale put the number under the
>first syllable. I can not find anything about vere numrs
>in the Index. I'm using Finale 3.0.4 for Windows.
I'm using FinMac, but it won't be muh dierent.
Having done a lot of choral works I spent much time figuring out shortcuts:
Finale does'tdstinguish between verse numbers and regular text! So you
have to nudge the verse #'s to the leftTht means entering the text
first, and when you get ready to do the final layout, put in the #'s. hproblem with that is that you don't have good control over which of the 2
syllables (actual tex orerse #) you're about to nudge. So I suggest
doing what I've come up with:
Enter the verse #s as ection 1, 2, ..." in your templates, so they are
already stored there. My section #1 looks lke thi:
1.
Place the lyrics in the appropriate places and then when you're ready to
nudge, b sure t hve one of the "Section" #'s selected (rather than
"Verse" or "Chorus"). By doing so you uaranteenuding just a
"Section"-text (verse #) and not the actual lyrics.
Hope this confusin message ill emove all clarity about this issue :-)
>><<>><<>><<>><<
Thomas Schaller
(312) 92-3616
Chiago, L 60605
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:40:05 CDT
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Date: Wed,15 Feb 995 15:39:27 -0500
From: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected], BiffBarfAOL.COM
Messge-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject Re: A coment on tied accidentals
>>1) What is the easiest way to insert many idetical note valus?
Forexample when I insert eighth not triplets I type <Ctrl>3
8 8 8. Rightnow when I have lot o thes I resort to entering
this kind of passages into a sequencer and thn importing them into Finae. It is a lot less tedious, but it probably takes just
as long.<
This is prettyeasy:
Firs set up the default look you want for all the tuplets that your abot
to enter - do ths by double-clcking the tuplet tool and making the
appropriate settings.
Net, go into speedy enry window,pressthe Caps-Lock key down,type in the
duration of the tuplets youre about to enter ie.4=1/8ths, then tpe
ctrl(value)-[opt(value) for Mac] then just play your note. Don't make a
mistak or you'll need t set the speedy param. again.
Tom Ginsberg - Copyist
U.. Marine Band
BiffBarfaol.com
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Fom: William Christopher Neale <[email protected].sate.mo.us>
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Subject: signoff finale
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signoff finale
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* Voice: 417) 532-9144 *
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o: [email protected], [email protected]
From: [email protected] (marc sabat)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Finale and 72-e
Question.
I'm trying to get (Mac Finale to work smoothly with 72-e (72-tone equal
temperamnt, i.e. 12 steps per whole tone).
I'e got a font (courtesy of Ted Mook thanks), and have set p the
nonstandard key box with 72 steps/ct., 7 diatonic steps, and did the
symbol list ID" thingwith my font, up to +12 (double sharp) and-12
(double flat). Then I hit the "p to 7 chromatic stps" roadblock in
speedy entry. Ted descries the same problem in his attempts totranscribe
Partc.
Trying the keyboard MIDI entry resultedin enharmonic mess. Trying to
alter fame data - no g. Is the program stretched beyond its limit? Do I
have to make the up and down diacitical marks nto staff expressions? If
so, why does the nnstandard key box allow specification of o many step
per octave?
Help.
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:12:01CDT
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From: D3 Chad torey <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subect: Re: signoff finale
To: [email protected], [email protected].state.mo.us
Date: Wed, 15 Fe 9513:07:54 HST
>
signoff finale
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Archive-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 8:34:10 CDT
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Dat Wed, 15 Feb 95 14:53:20 PST
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To: [email protected], [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Mike Youngberg)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Speeding p Finae
>Does anyone have experience with speeding tings up (in Mac) by increasing
>the size o the "sytem heap"?
This only applies to Pre-System 7.
Since Sys7 the system heap is dynamicallyallocated,meaning each program
is allocated whatever it ses whenever it needs it (within limits, f course).
-mike
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Date: Wed, 15 eb 1995 19:17:53 -0700 (MST)
From: WORSTE LAWRENCE EDWARD <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Aother comment on tied acidentals
Message-ID: <Pine.[email protected]>
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> >On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Seastian A. Birch wrote:
> >> >> 1) What is the simplest way to ener a tie at the end of a measure
Dan Galbraith replied
> > Ok, here's my $.02 worth . . .
> 1 Enter the last note of the meaure as a value larger than will it (the
> "There are too many beats.." dialog pops up)
>
> 2) hoose the third option ("Move the xtra notes...") - note: this only> needs to be done once per Fnale session. After that, all you ned to do is
> press <Enter>.
>Presto! You have a tied not (or chord) over the barline with the ursor on
> top of the leftover nte whose value you may chane if necessary.
My response:
This orks well when the values are eqal or add up to a one keysroke
value. How about a half note tied aross the barline to a quarter nte?
How about a half noe tied across the barline to the first eight note of
a triplet? Doesn't ork. I was thinking abou this tip (which is a really
great method incertain cases) while enteringa piece for a client in
which *none* of the tied notes were of the typ that could be entered
wit the type one one and it the return to the dialogue box. I still
prefe my method of entering a smller value and hittin back arrow with
my thumb (then hitting tie and th correct value) *because* n learning
this eay manuver I also learned the manuver which I use to ener a
tuplet in which th first value is notthe value of the tuplet. I must
reiterate, the two strke method is great in cetain circumstancesand I
have added it to my repertoire of repetitive motios [ :-) ] but the
othr method has its dvantages in other cases.
PS. I have gotten few responsesto my query on CAI eartraining softwar.
Is there anything out there besides Guido (IBM bound) or Msica Practica
that aybody thinks isworth $.02?
*******************************
* Larry Worste *
* he Full Measur *
* 610 S. 41st Street *
* Boulder, CO 8030 *
* (30) 494-3159 *
* [email protected] *
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From: WRSTER LAWENCE EDWARD <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 5 Feb 195, Techno Priest wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to put in verse numbers
> s in a Hymn?
>
>When I tried to type in a number, Finale put the number under the
> first syllabe.
Fathr, I an't help responding to someone who thinks of himself as a
Techno Priest :-)
Th number mut beseparated from the first syllable by a non-breaking
space for Finale to treat it andthe syllale s one. On the Mac the
character is an option-space. I don't know what it is on the IBMbut I am
ure it exists. After creating the first syllable with the number you
will probably want o nudgei left as it centers under the word.
*******************************
* Larry Worster
* The Full Measure *
* 610 S. 41st Street *
* Boulder, CO 80303 * (303) 494-3159 *
* [email protected] *
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Subject: Re: music spacing
>When checking "Avoid collision of Notes and Accdentals" in he
>Msic Spacing Dialog Box Finale will add <enough> additional
>space to ensure no verlaping (WiFin 3, ol.3, p. 201). Quite
>often, however, Finale adds <too much> space, for exampe, on beginnins
>of masures, or when the accidental is attached to a short note (it
>might tripl its length, an also thelength of its "friends" in the same
>note group). I couldn't find any opton-parameter whih controlsthis
>additional space. This means that all adjustments have to be donemanually.
>Does uch an optin exist, somewhere in one of the (too many) option
>dialog boxes?
don't think thereis a way to ontrol how Finale handles spacing
specifically for accidentals. I, oo, think it calcultes too much pace. I
guess I just got used to manually adjusting. Maybe we canstart something
her: telling Codato reduce the space they allocate!
By the way: It does the sae thing with lyrics. lthough I creatd my
separate spacing libraries for choral pieces, it still i a problem!!!
>><<><<>><<>><<
Thoms Schaller
(312) 922-3616
Chicago, IL 60605
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Subject: Re: nother comment on tied accidentals
>> >
>> >> ) What is the simplest way t enter a tie at the en of a measure?
>
>Dan Galbraith replied
>>
> Ok, here's my $.02 worth . .
>> 1) Enter the las note of the measure as a value larger than wil fit (the
>> "There are too any beats..." dialog pop up)
>>
>> 2) Choose the third option ("Mve the extra notes...") - note: this only
>> needs to b done once per Finale session. After that all you need to do is
>> press<Enter>.
>
>> Presto! Yu have a tied note (or chord) over the brline with the cursor on
>> top f the leftover note whose vlue you may change if necessary.
>
>arry's response:
>
>This works wll when the values are equalor add up to a one keystroke
>valu. How about a half note tied acrossthe barline to a quarter note
>How about a half note tied acrss the barline to the first eighth nte of
>a triplet? Doesn't wok.
Larry, not true!
Let's sy you have a half note tied to a quarer note. Just hit 7 (whole
not value) - hit RETURN for the dalogue box - then hit 5 (quarter notevalue). The cursor is automaticaly on that first note of the2nd measure -
so whatever you type (4 or eight note), the note value wil change
accordingly.
><<>><<>><<>><<
Thomas Schaller
(312) 22-3616
Chicago, IL 60605
tomschmcs.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 23:54:57 ESTFrom: Thomas Kunz <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Subect: WinFin 3.0.4 PS-Listing
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Howdy, al,
I'm using WinFin 3.0.4 and I'm using theWindows HP IIID PostScript
driver for ompiling PS-litings. When I do this, I get ENORMOUS files! (A
single page was in excess of 4M!!) ut yet when specify in the print
driver to print directlyto file rather than LPT1, I get the same age
turnig into a 130k file. I've used SCORE before, and90-150k is about right
for a whole page o piano msic in PS/EPS format. Should I use a different
S driver, or is there something I can chang in Fiale so that I can do
"Compile PostScript Listing.." without getting files of ridiculous size?
Fo now, I'll simply tell the print driver where to plce it, but a better
fix should be available,do't you think?
Note: I do not have a real HP IIID hoked up, I just have to use a PS
print drivero get the PS listings.
Thanks!
Tom Kunz
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:1635 EST
From: Dave Lorand <[email protected]
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To: [email protected], [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Speeding p Finale
>>Does anyone have experience ith speedng things up (in Mac) by increasing
>>the size f the "system heap"?
>This only applies o Pre-Syste 7.
>
>Since Sys7 the system heap is dynamicaly allocated, meaning each program
>is llocated whatver it uses whenever it needs it (within limit, of course).
My understanding was tat this is onlytrue of temporary memory. Under System
7, aplictions still have a fixed memory patition, but they an also request
extra temporary memory. Plase correct me if I'm wrong - I havent gotten
around tolearning the Mac Toolbox yet.
Dave
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To: [email protected]From: [email protected]
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Subject: GA Piano braces
A qestion for any GoldenAge usrs: Has anyone come up with good piano
brace settings that a more handdrawn look? If so, would yo mind sharing
them with me?
Thanks
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Dn Galbraith <> <> [email protected] <> <> Overland Pak, KS
<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>
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From: [email protected] (Bradley Sith)
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Subject: Re: Beaming
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>Okay...I've had Finale or a week or two now, and am roceeding well. Most f
>what I need to do for percussion notation I ave figured out. I have onl two
>questions thatI can't seem to find addressed in the manual.
>
>) Is there a way to split saves by note? I brig in MIDI files of the part
>from Cakewalk, and in oder to sound right on the ampler, the intervas for
>the tonal drums are what they sound like, howevr when they are notated, he 4
>drums are spposed to be in the spaces. Ideally, I'd like to split te one
>staff containingthe part into 4 ohers by note #, then transpose them
>individually and recobine them. If there's o easy way in Fiale, I guess
>I'll just break down and write a .CAL script t do it in Cakewalk.
>
>2) How can I ake 32nd notes beam differently? Right now, the only way I see
>to be able to beamthem is 3 beam across all 8 notes (or with 16th note
>triplets, 2 beams acrossall 6 notes). Idealy, I want 2 goups of 4 notes,
>triple beamed, connected by one beam (for 16th nte triplets, 2 grous of 3
>nots, double beamed, connected by one beam). It makes it easier for som of
>the younger layers to fel the 8th note seeing them this way. I can't seem to
>do it? Is it ossible?
>
>Thaks in advace.
In response to your second question, you can break partial beams i the
Special Tols tool, ee "Beaming:Secondary Beams" in the manual, it is on
page 21 of volume 2 i my set ( Final 3.0 ). Basically, all you do is
select the Special Tool tool, select the measure, ad choose the scondary
beam break tool, which looks like two sixteenth-notes beamed to a single
sixtenth note, an doubl-click the box above the note, and tell Finale
which beams to break.
As to th first queston, i all you need to do is change the pitches on
which the drums are notated, you can o a search nd rplace in the Note
Mover tool which will only replace specific pitches throughout theentire
pat. The Finale manual indexes this as "Search and Replace", which begins
on page 231 of voume 2 in y et.
Bradley Smith
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[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: GA Piano braces
>A question for any GoldenAe usr: Has anyone come up with good piano
>brace settings that a more hand-drawn look? If so, woldyo mind sharing
>them with me?
>
"....settings that <give> a more hand-drawn look....." :-)
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review finale f-mail
**************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 195 07:14:31 -050 (EST)From: "David J. Ross" <[email protected]>
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After you type the verse number, instead of typing a space with the space-bar, type opton-space, thn the first syllable of the verse. The
option-space will bind thenumber to the syllabe. Check out he manula
for aligning the verse numbers.
David Ross
Syracue University
On We, 15 Feb 1995,Techno Priest wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to put in vers numbers
> as in a Hyn?
>
> When tried to type in a number, Finale put the number under the > first syllable. I cannot find anythin about verse numbers
> in the Index. I'm using Finale 3.04 for Windows.
>
> Thnks!
> ========================================================================
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eturn-Path: <yuval@cyclone.tau.ac.il>
rom: Yuval Shay-El <yuval@cyclone.au.ac.il>
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Subject: Re: WiFin 3.0.4 PS-Listing
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>
> Howdy, all,
> I'm sing WinFin 3.0.4 and I'm using the Widows HP IIID PostScript
> drivr for compiling PS-listings. When I do this, I get ENORMOUS files! A
> single page was in excess o 4M!!) But yet when I specfy in the print
> driver to print direcly to file rather than LPT1, I ge the same page
> turninginto a 130k file. I've used SCORE before and 90-150k is about right
> fora whole page of piano msic in PS/EPS format. Should I use a diffrent
> PS driver, or is there somehing I can change in inale so that I can do
> "Compile PostScrit Listing..." without getting files f ridiculous size?
> For now, I'll simply tell the print drive where to place it, but a better
> fx should be availble, don't you think?
> Note: I do not havea real HP IIID hooked up, I just have o use a PS
> pint driver to get the PS listings.
> Thanks!
> Tom Kunz
> [email protected]
>
You hae to set the softfonts parameters in your [Postcript,LPT1] section
in win.ini. When yo install Fiale it updates the device which is
defined at he time (I guess for you it was [PostScrit, FILE]) but
when you use LPT1, finale doesn't know you ave softfonts and it download
the Petrucc as bitaps, which makes the file enormous.
So, in summry, just copy the 3 lines defining the softonts rom
[PostScript, FILE], to [PostScript, LPT1]. But if you don't have these
lines at all for sme eason, you have to install the PS fonts again,
AFTE making sure that your default printer in winos is the right one.
A
Yuval
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Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 06:47:31 CDT
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Date: Thu, 16Feb 1995 0:47:27 -0500
From: [email protected]
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Messag-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re verse numbers
>Can anyone tell me how to put in verse numers
>as in a Hymn?
>When I tried to ype in a number,Finale put the number under the<
>first sylable. I can not find anything about vrse numbers<
>in he Index. I'm using Finale 3.0.4 for Window.,<
>>>I'm using FinMac, but it wn't be much differen.Having done a lot of
choral works I spentmuch time figuring out shortcuts: Fnale doesn't
distingush between verse numbers and regular text!So you have to nudge the
verse #' to the left. That meansentering the text first, and when you get
ready to do the final layout, pu in the #'s. The problem wth that is that
you don't have good conrol over which of the 2 syllable (actual text or
verse #) yu're about to nudge. So I suggest doingwhat I've come up with:
Ente the verse #'s as "Section 1, , ..." in your templates, so they arealready stored there. My sectin #1 looks like this:
1.
Plae the lyrics in the appropriate place and then when you're ready t
nudge, be sure to have one of th "Section" #'s selected (rather than"Verse"
or "Chorus"). By dong so you guarantee nudging just a "ection"-text (verse
#) and not theactual lyrics.<<<
I havea simpler solution -
Just type the vrse no. ie. 1.(then an opt-space)-ac (ctrl-space)-Windoze
ad then your lyric.
Tom Ginsberg
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From: "ouglas H. Brown" <[email protected]>
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signoff finale
Doug Brown, Firmware Engineer [email protected]
Cabletron Systes
Rochester, NH (603) 337-2407
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SIGNOFF Finale
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Dte: Thu, 16 Fb 1995 10:00:35 -0600
From: James South (Dr. James South) <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
ubject: My apologie for sendin my recent query to the wrong e-mail address. I had the help file harcopy
My apologis for sendng my recent query to the wrong e-mail address. I had the help file harcopy in front of e
and STLL sent to the wrong address!
Does anyone know what's up with the Final-digest? I have't gotte anything since Feb 7th or 8th. I have
re-subscribed TWICE (to the correctaddress) and haen't goten the usual automatically generated reply. If you
are aware of anything inthis regard plase repond directly to me at: [email protected], since I'm
apparently noton the finalelist nymore.
Again, my apologies for clogging your mailboxes with my error (and thi question!).
Jmes South
Emporia State University
Emporia, KS
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From: [email protected] (Gil Plantinga)
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Subjct: Re:y apologies for sending my recent query to the wrong e-mail address. I had the help file hardopy
My apologies ...
Accepted, I was just feeling a little testy. I think that you have to send
tw mssages to get the digest:
1. SUBSCRIBE Finale "your real name in quotes"
2. SIGNOFF FINAL UBSCRIBE Finale-digest
Gil Plantinga
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(914) 255-2775
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 08:11:04 pst
From: "Blke Hdetts" <[email protected]>
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Message-ID <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re[2]: music spacing
>>WhencheckingAvoid collision of Notes and Accidentals" in the
>>Music Spacing Dialog Box Finale will ad <enough dditional
>>space to ensure no overlaping (WinFin 3, vol.3, p. 201). Quite
>>often, hoever, Finae dds <too much> space, for example, on beginnings
>>of measures, or when the accidenta is attache toa short note (it
>>might triple its length, and also the length of its "friends" inthe same
>>ote roup). I couldn't find any option-parameter which controls this
>>additional spac. This means hat al adjustments have to be done manually.
>>Does such an option exist, somewhere n one of the (oo man) option
>>dialog boxes?>
>I don't think there is a way to control how Finle handles spacng
>spcifically for accidentals. I, too, think it calculates too much space. I
>gess I just got ued to maually adjusting. Maybe we can start something
>here: telling Coda to redue the space they llocate!
>By the way: It does the same thing with lyrics. Although I created my
>separate spacinglibraries or choral pieces, it still is a problem!!!
I agree that spacing is till a major proble. I have cutomized my allotments
table and music spacing options to get the bst results possible,but small noe
values especially seem to produce poor spacing. The spacing in3.2.1 seems
subtly ifferent fromthat in 3.0.x, and it does not appear to be an
improvement, unortunately, but rathera step backwars. I may be mistaken about
this, however. But anything is beter than the horrors of3.0, if anyone
remembers that...
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Musician / thin we have * [email protected]
Eugene, Oregon / worth living" *
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Achive-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:28:35 CDTSender: [email protected]
Frm: [email protected] (Andrew Zinck)
To: [email protected]
Suject: Re: verse numbers
Date: Thu 16 Feb 1995 12:39:28 -050
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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <Pine.[email protected]>
In aticle <Pine.[email protected]>,
"Dvid J. Ross" <[email protected]>wrote regarding how to put in
verse numbers:
> After you tpe the verse number, instead of typinga space with the
> space-bar type option-space, then the frst syllable of the verse. The
> optin-space will bind the number tothe syllable. Check out the anula
> for aligning the verse numbers
>
> David Ross
> Syracuse Uiversity
For WinFin, I elieve that ALT-0160 will provide the "stcky space."
For lining up the erse numbers:
1. seect Lyrics|Adjust Syllables and drag the frst syllable of
the first verseto the position you wat,
2. Shift-Click on the handles of al the other verses you want to
be lined up.
3. Select Lyrics|Align Syllable Left to sna them all
one below the othr.
Hope this heps!
Andrew M. Zinck "They're funny things, Accidents.
Uiversity of Toroto | You never have them
[email protected] | util you're havng them."
*PGP key available on request* | --Eeyore
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Date Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:04:39 -0500
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To:[email protected]
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Subject:Re: Beaming
>Okay...I've had Finale for wee or two now, and am proceeding well. Most
of
>wha I need to do for percussion notation I hav fgured out. I have only
two
>questions that I can'tseem to find addressed in the manual.
>2) w can I make 32nd notes beam differently? Right now, he only way I
seem
>to be able to beam themi 3 beams across all 8 notes (or with 16th note
>tripets, 2 beams across all 6 notes). Ideally, wat 2 groups of 4 notes,
>triple beamed, connected byone beam (for 16th note triplets, 2 groups f 3
notes, double beamed, connected by one beam). It mkes it easier for some
of
>the younger payers t feel the 8th note seeing them this way. I can't eem
to
>do it? Is it possible?
No seat - Vol2 pg 21 "Beaming: Secondary Beams" this says it al.
Tom Ginsberg
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Shold I respond? I noticd I stopped getting the Finale digest.
Is here a problem
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From: [email protected] (bill mooney)
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Greetings from Dunedin, Ne Zealand!
I'm afraid I don't understnd this......
Finale-Digesthas been inoperative for about a fotnight ......
I have had no mailing since the 3rd of FebruaryHope you can clarify whats going on ad perhaps what I have done
incorretly in my QUERY mailing tothe system ...?
Regards,
Bill
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From: [email protected] (Thmas Schaller)
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Subject: Re:verse numbers
>>Enter the vrse #'s as "Section 1 2, ..." in your templates, so they are
>>alread stored there. My section #1 ooks like this:
>>>>1.
>>Place the lyrics in the appropriate places nd then when you're ready to
>>nudge, be sure t have one of the "Section" #'s selected (rather than Verse"
>>or "Chorus"). By oing so you guaranee nudging just a "Section"-text (verse
>>#) and not te actual lyrics.<<<
>>
>I have a simplersolution -
>Just type the verse no. ie. 1.(then an opt-pace)-Mac (ctrl-space)-Widoze
>and then our lyric.
>
>Tom Ginsberg
That's a good solution. Butyou will have a problem hen you have seeral
verses stacked. Then you either won't be able to align he verse numbers -
or our actual lyrc won't be centered underneath the notehead.
>><<>><<>><<>><
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(31) 922-3616
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[email protected]
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Subject: please don't send listerv messges!
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Dear Fellow Finale Subcribers:
My milbox i clogged with useless messages which are becoming annoying.
Please note thatsubscribing, unubscriing and other such tasks are NOT
accomplished by sending mail to the [email protected]. address Sen these
commands to:
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From: "David R. Gillingham" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Note Mover
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
2-16-95
Has anyone noticed that selecting the "note mover" n Finale.2 causes
the program to quit unexpectedly???? I love this tool for cross staff
notation nd nowcn't use it!! What is the problem. I have a Performa
475. Please respond---someone!!
Daid Gllngham
Central Michigan University
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Subject: native version
anyone got any news on th natieversion of Finale for the power pc? I
heard it was demoed at NAMM and could be out in about5 weeks
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To: <Finale@SHSUedu>, <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (Ofer Ben-Amots)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Note Mover
David R. Gillingham writes:
>
>-16-95
>
>Hasanyonenoticed that selecting the "note mover" on Finale 3.2 causes
>the program toquit unexpectedl???? Ilove this tool for cross staff
>notation and now can't use it!! What is te problem. I hav a Perfoma
>475. Please respond---someone!!
>
>David Gillingham
>Central Micigan University
I have ever had this problem with note mover. Maybe you should upgrade to
fro v.3.2 to the new v 3.2.1.
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Date: Thu, 16 eb 95 18:57:18 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Note Mover
CC [email protected], [email protected]
I haven't noticed the prolem, but I received the 3.2.1upgrade
almost immeiately after getting 3.2. It might be that if thee was a problem
that they fixd it in 3.2.1. Unfortnately, I got rid of the 'Read me'
file that cme with it-
Actually, it wa on the disk, of cours! I just read it, and see no
reference to Noe Mover.
Sorry I couldn't hav been of more help. I ue a Centris 610, but I
wouldn't expect tha to make a difference. Hopefully,some others
have ideas.
David Horne
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Subect: unsubscribe Finale
unsubscibe Finale
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Archve-Date: Fri, 17 Fe 1995 04:19:14 CDT
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 05:19:10-0500
From: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected], Anglo@AOLCOM
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: Another comment o tied accidentals
Larry Worster wries, regarding"overfilling" the bar in Speedy Entry to get
a ie on the last note:
<<My response:
This work well when the values are equal or add up to a on keystroke
value. How about a half not tied acrss the barline to a quarter note? >>
Surely aftr you move to the next bar the cursor is n the rmainder of the
tied note, whatever its value. The ormal procedure would then be to type in
rhytm duration on this first note in the bar, as the mos straightforward
way to advance the cursor I ad worked out Larry's method myself, but adding
the onger note, even of the "wrong" duration, sem much more elegant. (I
was disappointed that I hadn'tcome up with the idea ;-))
Going back a bato add the tie is a disaster. After Command-[ the cursr
goes all the way back to the first beat o te previous bar and then has to
be nudged or mouse-clcked all the way to the last note.
My 2 ents (Fin Mac 3.2.1)
John Roberts.
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Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 05:39:1 CDT
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 6:39:17 EST
Fro: Patrick Bruer <[email protected]>Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
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I'm interested in your comment about "Guido" ea training software. I
hadn't heard aout this product and would like to learn more. Apparently
it s from the University of Maryland. Hw is it distribute? What does it
cost? Where can I get more inormation?
What I'm looking for i a fairly simple MID ear training package for
personal -- as oposed to institutional -- use as a upplement to my studyof music theory. Might "Guido" be the ticke, in your opinion?
Thanks.
atrick Bruer
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Arcive-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 199506:24:17 CDT
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:2303 -0500 (EST)
From: "Dougls H. Brown" <[email protected]>
eply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: e: Ear Training
To: Patrick Bruer <[email protected]
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Patrick:
I heard of Guio through my theory professr. I think that when the
program coes up it says that the person that dveloped it was
from the Uiversity of Delaware. I think that itcost me about $50
from the collegebookstore. Don't know ifthat price was inflated
though (many itms at this bookstore are).
Unfotunately I got this messge on the morning of the day that I'm
goig out of town for a week. I'll b back here on th 27th. If
you send me a reminder that day, I'll tr to remember to look up what-
eer I can and fill you n.
It's a pretty easy-to-use package. It sarts with the basic solfege
sylables (these don't een require a MIDI interface, just a speaker),
ad goes into chords, inversions progressions, and Ithink there's
even a section on 12-tone. Since Idon't play at the keyboard evry
day, I still us it frequently as a refresher (although I'm getting o
rusty with what I did lean that I may even tart the whole thing
over again from the start!).
It is academically orientedin that you can pactice at a particular level
until you pass, and then g on to the next level, butyou are free togo to any level at any time.
One of the things that I dn't like is that it's cop-protected. Yo
don't need a hardware key, but you can't even make a backu of any of the
disks. his isn't usualy a problem with other packages, but Guido is
the only packae that I had a physicaldisk problem ith. (It eventually
went away after a bit of futzing around, an nobody else in my clas
had any poblems.)
All in all, if I were seriously learning theory on my wn, I'd be
willingto spend atleast $50 for this package.
Good luck!
Doug Brown, Firmware Enineer [email protected]
Cabletron Systems
Rochester, NH (603) 3372407
On Fri, 17 eb 1995, atrick Bruer wrote:
> I'm interested in your comment about "Guido" ea training software I
> han't heard about this product, and would like to learn more. Apparently
> t is from the Uniersity f Maryland. How is it distributed? What does it
> cost? Where can I get mor information?
>
> Wht I'm looking for is a fairly simple MIDI ear training package for
> personal-- as opposed t insttutional -- use as a supplement to my study
> of music theory. Might "Guido" bethe ticket, inyouropinion?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Bruer
>
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From: WORSTER LAWRENCE EDWARD <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 17 Feb 195 Angloal.com wrote:
> Surely after you move to the next bar the cursor is on the remainder of th
> tednote, whatever its value.
Hi John
Yes. See my previous post. I was chagrined to find outtha I ad erred.
As my student's will attest I am becoming more prone to temporary
lobotomies latl (5 lasses and a music typesetting business). My
current method is to use the overfilling method lessthe next measure
begins with a tuplet.
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* Larry Worster *
* The Full Measure *
* 610 S. 41st Street *
* Boulder, CO 80303 *
* (303) 494-3159 *
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om: Peter Temko <[email protected]>
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Hi-
A belated word on the above: I was quoted a price of 229 by "Journe
Eucation Marketing" - anyone know anything about these people? MIght be
worth ivestigating. I idn'tbuy because I was researching for someone else.
Pete Temko
Prof. of Musi
University of ennesse at Chattanooga
([email protected])
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From: John_Werner@postoffice.brown.edu John C. Werner)
Reply-o: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Note Move
>David R. Gillinghamwrites:
>>
>2-16-95
>>
>>Has anyone noticed that selecting the "note mver" on Finale 3.2 causes
>>the program o quit unexpectedly???? I love this tool for cross staff>>notation and now can't ue it!! What is he problem. I have a Performa
>>475. Please respond--someone!!
>>
>>David Gillngham
>>Central ichigan University
>
>
>I have never had this problm with note mover. Maybe youshould upgrade to>from v.3.2 to the new v. 3.2.1.
>
I, too, have neer had this problem. Perhapsyou should simply cll Finale
technical support and see if they have uggestions. I have usually fond
them to be very elpful with such issues.
Chris Werner, pediatic cardiologist, music lover, Brown Universty
father, copyist, band director, singer, acompanist. Medical School
Provience, RI
John_Werner@postoffice.rown.edu Voice: (401)444-5984
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Date: ri, 17 Feb 1995 14:32:05 +0000
To: [email protected], [email protected]
From: [email protected](Debbie Metrustry)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Sbject: Re: Note Mover
>I haven' noticed the problem, but I received te 3.2.1 upgrade
>almost immdiately after getting 3.2.
Were does one get the 3.2.1 upgrade - I'e only just got 3.2 and havent
yet had much time with it. By the sound of it, though, this new upgade is
pretty necessary.
Dbbie.
--------------------Debbie Metrustry
Top Type Music Bureau, ublin &
Trinity College, Dubli
Tel&Fax:+353-1-6261409
[email protected]
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To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
Frm: [email protected] (Ofer Ben-Amots)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Sbject: Re: Guido
Just a little reminder: GUIDO is IBM-compatile only. I used GUIDO from
1988 to 193 and never hard of a Mac version. It is a good program ,
thugh.
-- Ofer
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| The Clorado College | |
| Music Department | [email protected] |
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ArchiveDae: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:21:42 CDT
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 07:01:31 pstrom: "Blake Hodgetts" <[email protected]>
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Msage-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re[2]: Another commen ontied accidentals
>> Surely after you move to te next bar the cursor is on the remainder f the
>> tied note, whatever its value.
>Hi John
>Ye. See my previous post. I was chagrined t find ot that I had erred.
>As my student's will attest am becoming more prone to temporary
>obotomieslately (5 classes and a music typesetting business. My
>current method is to use the ovrfilling mehod unless the next measure
>begins with a tuplt. --Larry
Um, Larry, it works eve if the next easure begins with a tuplet. Let's say you
wat a quarter tied to the first note ofan eighth-note riplet in the next bar.
Enter the following: return opt-3 4. Voila.
---------------------------------------------------------
Blake Hodgett / "Life is the only *
Musician / thing we have * [email protected]
Eugene, Oregon / worth iving" *
Opiions represented above are mine, not my emplyer's
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Sender [email protected]
Date: Fi, 17 Feb 1995 10:32:32 -050 (EST)
From: "Douglas H. Brown" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Guido
To: OferBen-Amots <[email protected]>
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Good point! Forgot o mention that!
Doug Bron, Firmware Engineer [email protected]
Cabletron Systems
Rchester, NH (603) 337-2407
On Fri, 17 Fb 1995, Ofer Ben-Amots wrote:
> Jst a little reminder: GUIO is IBM-compatible only. I used GUIDO rom
> 1988 to 1993 and never heardof a Mac version. It is good program ,
> though.
>
> -- Ofer
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> | Ofer Ben-Amots | |
>| The Colorado College | |
> | Msic Department | [email protected] |
> | 14 E. Cache La Poudre | Tel: 71-389-6555 |
> | Colorao Springs, CO 80903 Fax: 719-389-6862 |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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To: [email protected], [email protected]
From: [email protected] (mac sabat)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Finale and 72-e, again
Sory to be a pest, but does anyone have any suggestions re: this
challenging problem????
<<<Questio.
I'm trying to get (Mac) Finale to work smoothly (OK, maybejust work,
forget smoohly) with 72et (72-tone equal temperament, i.e. 12 steps per
whole tone).
I hit the "up to 7 chrmatic steps roadblock in speedy entry. Is there an
efficient work-around, oter than making diacriical marksinto "text"
staff expressions and entering (and positioning) each ofthem separately?
(Tying the eyboard MIDI entry resulted in enharmonic mess.)
Is the program streched beyond its limt? If s, why does the nonstandard
key box allow specification of so many steps er octave?
<<<Hlp.
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Date: Fri, Feb 17, 995 10:08 AM
Frm: Alce Brin Renken <[email protected]>
Subject: end-of-bar ties
To: [email protected]
Reply-To:[email protected], Alice Brin Renken <[email protected]>
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Just my 2 cents worth here:
I odn't quite undrstand why ths ie business is such a problem. If you don't
bother with the ties (using the = key) a all, but jutenter the values right
through the piece, THEN go through again with the slur tool (wich you havto
do for the slurs anyhow), it's much, much easier AND the slurs and ties look
more onsistent.ou even gain a first proofreading run. The new slur tool (as
of FinMac3.2, I believe) isso easy ouse for ties because you just
double-click the first note and it automagically ends on th next,ba line or
no barline. You drag only if more than two notes are involved. Oh - this is
QWETY etry not MIDI, if that makes a difference.
@
|| [email protected]
|| Alice Brin Renken
Alice Renken || Music Deparmnt
( ) Carleton College
"Look, Ma, no end-pin! >< Northfield, MN 55057
<( )>
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Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:29:25 CDT
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From: David G. Horne <[email protected]>
Rep-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>Dte: Fri, 17 Feb 95 11:29:22 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Note Mover
CC: [email protected]
>I haven't noticed the problem, but I received the 3.2.1 upgrade
>almost immediatly after gettig 32.
I got the update from a friend who got it through the internet.
Finale alays takes its tme gtting the upgrades to its consumers,
like me, so I didn't feel guilty about apropriating it.
I boght the 3.2 upgrade anyway and I believe that the upgrade, like similar
oneswith 3.0, is free
I on't know how you'll get it in Ireland, but the internet is worth a try.
God luck! I found te smartshape problem with 3.2 absolutely frustrating.
Regards,
David Horne
[email protected]
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Archive-Date Fri, 17 eb 1995 10:47:05 CDT
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Date: Fri, 17 Fe 1995 11:46:56 -0500 EST)
From "STEPHANIE W. WILSON" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: FinaleSHSU.edu, [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected]
CC: Patrick Bruer<[email protected]>,[email protected]
Subject: Re: Ear Training
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Patrick -
I've sed Guido as alast-minute ear training review before going to grad
schol, and liked it a lot.
It was pretty asy to use. I'm not at the same school this year, and we
don't have it here, so I an't give you an info on it.
You might also want to investigate Pracica Musica. There are severl
ear training ackages out there.
Stephanie
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Dae: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:09:30 -0500
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (David Froom)
Rply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Guido/ear trainin
I just got Practic Musica for my students (Mac). It seems vatly improved
from the way it lookd when it came out. Th students also enjoy using it.
Might thi be a good choice for a personal prgram?
David Froom - [email protected]
Music Departmen
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St Mary's City, Maryland
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Dat: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:42:50 0700
To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (Ofer Ben-Amots
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Gudo/ear training
last timeI delt with Practica Musicawas about two years ago. Their
customer srvice was so unpleasant that I topped, out of principle,using
their program.
Anyway, Ann Blombah of Ohio State Univ. is coming p with a new CAI
appliation: MacGamut. It is, supposedly, better tan Practica Musica. Why
not chec with her?
Ann K. Blombach ([email protected]) MacGAMUT Music Sofware International
98 Brevoort Road
Columbus, OH 43214 U.S.A.
Pone 1-800-305-8731 (U.S. and Canada)
614-263-9359 (all other countres)
Ann an I were also considering a conference on the isse of aural skills.
I would be very iterested in sch an e-conference. I have, however, the
feelingthat Finale discussion list is not theappropriateplatform for
such a subject.
-- Ofer
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| Ofer Ben-Amots | |
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>That's a goo solution. But you will have a problem wen you hve several
>verses stacked. Then you either won't e able to align the verse numbers -
>o your actul lyric won't be centered underneath the notehead.
>
I use two methods.
a) if the pice has got a upbeat, I put the verse number under the first o
the leading rests -> The numbers ar all aligned vrtically.
b) If the piece is starting withoutupbeat, I put in the number as a staf
expression. O, I have to align it manually, but I want my fist syllabe
centered, so I cannot ue the ctrl-space-otion.
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This souds to me like your program got corruptd. I would throw away you
present copy of Finale and reinstal from your installation disks.
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On Fri, 17Feb 1995, Blake Hodgetts wrote:
> Um, Larry it works even if the next measre begins with a tulet.
Let's say you want a quarter tied to the fist note of an eighth-note
trilet in the next ba. Enter the following: 6 return opt-3 4. Voila. >
YEAH!!! I thought I had memorzed the manuals bt I missed this one. Thanks!
This has other ramificatons which I have only begun o realize.
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Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Fe 1995 21:00:19 CDT
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>>>The new slur tool (as of FinMac3.2, I believe) i so easy to use for tes
becaue you just double-click the first note and it automagically ends on th
next, bar line or o barlin. You drag only if more than two notes are
involved.<<<
FinWin does ot yet have the newslur tol.
Mike
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>>My current method is to use the overfilling method unles the next measre
begins with a tuplet.<<
You can still do the same procedure even if a tuplet stats the next maure.
The tie creates itself and stays there even if you delete the first note and
reume with theuplet.
Tom Ginsberg
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>>That's goodsoltion. But you will have a problem when you have several
verses stacked. Then you either wont b abl to align the verse numbers -
or your actual lyric won't be centered underneath the notehead<
Ijust set four verses of lyrics using the method with #.(option-space)TEXT,
then selected eachersesfirst lyric with Adjust Syllables selected, and
Align Syllables Left. If you want to have th lric entered under the first
note, after aligning them, nudge them (maybe 4 clicks of the left arow)
whle they are all selected.
Tom Ginsberg
410-323-4540
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Alice:
The only poblem here is that in US engraving practice, you don't want
the ies and slurs to look te same, i. ., the slurs should go from the
center of the first note to th center of the last note while ties
should begin and end more on the sides of the notes.
If yo're doing "quick-and-dirt," no problemto your method, but for
engravers, I doubt it would pass mster with the tech editor.
David RossSyracuse University
On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Alice Brin Renen wrote:
> Just my 2 cets worth here:> I odn't quite understand why this tie business is suh a problem. If you don't
>bother with the ies (using the = key) at all, but just enter the value right
> through the piece,THEN go through aain with the slur tool (which you have to
> do forthe slurs anyhow), it's much, uch easier AND theslurs and ties look
> more consistent. You even ain a first proofreading run. Te new slur tool (as
> of FinMac3.2, I believe) is so easy to use fr ties because you just
> doube-click the first noe and it automagically ends on the next, bar lne or
> no barline. You drag ony if more than two noes are involved. Oh - this is
> QWERTY enty, not MIDI, if that makes a diffeence.
>
>
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I have a roblem which I can't seem to fin a solution to in the anual, so
I would appreciate any suggestions
In a 6/8 bar a violin has 12 6th-notes of the sam pitch, alternating
between two strings (i.e.stems: 6/8 D(own) U(p) D U D U DU D U D U).
The cmposer has asked that each group of 3 down-ste notes and each group
of three up-tem notes be conected by 16th-note beams. Using separate
layer, I can connect them, but only with 6th-note stub-eams. With
special tools, I can change the diretion in a single layer giving the
prper up-stem otes, but the down-stems are all still there.
Srely, there must be a solution - this s standardharp notation.
Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Steve
[email protected][Stephe Ferre]New Notations, London
Any opinions expressed abov are mine, not necessarily those of NewNotatins.
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I ae subscribed to this list for a few days but have not rceived anything...
I am subscribed to th Diest. Is anybody out there?
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You write:
In a 6/8 bar violin has 12 16th-notesof the same pitch, alternating
between twostrings (i.e. stems: 6/8 D(own U(p) D U D U D U D U D U.
The composer has asked that each group f 3 down-stem notes and eachgroup
of three up-stem notesbe connected by 16th-note beams. Using sparate
layers, I can connec them, but only with 16th-note tub-beams. With
special tools, I can cange the direction in a sinle layer giving the
proper up-stm notes, but the down-stems are all stil there.
>
>
>
I wasn't clear what version you wer using. On Mac, I would do the followig:
You create 12 16th otes. You then repeat the same 12 16t notes in the second
layer. Make sue that you have the corrct groupings in both layers. You can do
this either with the time signatur tool or, as I prefer, ith the '/' key. You
then make every seond 16th in layer two disappear usig the 'O' key. You retrn
to layer 1, and make every 2nd note, beinning with the first, disappear, o you
should have:
in layer 1- 2,4,6,8,10,12
in layer 2- 1,3,5,7,9,11
You will notice tat the 16th note beas are chopped up. Go into special tools,
selet the Beam Extension tool. In Laer one, double clic on the first handle
of each group. Select for xtension only the 16th note bea. Hit return, then
click and drag on the first handle of each group ntil it is extended to where you want it. Repet this process with layer 2.
You should now have i looking the way you want it.I think this is he quickest
method of doing it. Any ideas, anyone? Wit a bit of luck, the composer if he
keeps his texture going, does so with the same time signatures,so you can just
copy and tanspose as necssary.
Let us know if this works for you.
Good luck,
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Subject: Early music samples
I'm getting ready to do more early usic transcribing in he futur. I've
done a lot of thinking about format, fonts, .... and now I'd lie to see
sample pags of wok that you early music Finale users have done in the
past. Two reasons:
First (a scholarl approch): I'm always interested how people tackle the
problems that Finale causs when it comes toengraing music that is a
little more off the beaten path - like early music (font, incipits,
mensral otation, old time signatures, mensurstrich, ....)
Second (a practical approah): The editionsI'mgettin ready to prepare
should be for a church music publishing house. Their clints are usually
curch choirs, who don't have too much knowledge of early music - maybe the
hits of he late Renaisace (like Palestrina). So the publisher wants me
to prepare editions that are userfrindly. I think will have to put music
that isn't too hard and probably a reduced keyboard staff undeneath (too
d, I know).
If you'd like to contribute to either one of the above approaches with a
comment o sample page, please do so. Don't send actual files - we all
went through the copyrgiht iscussios.
All I want to see is the overall look and some details that still aren't
resolved on my nd.
In eturn I'll send you my results if you wish.
ALSO: Let's not make everybody angry - pleas sen eveything to my E-mail
adress - and I'll forward the messages to whoever else is interested.
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`>I have a problem which I can't seem to find a solution to in the manual, so
>I would apreciate n suggestions:
>
>In a 6/8 bar a violin has 12 16th-notes of the same pitch, alternatin
>between o strings (i.e. stems: 6/8 D(own) U(p) D U D U D U D U D U).
>The composer has askedthat each gro of 3 down-stem notes and each group
>of three up-stem notes be connected by 16th-nte beams. Usigseparate
>layers, I can connect them, but only with 16th-note stub-beams. With
>pecial tools, Ica change the direction in a single layer giving the
>proper up-stem notes, but th down-stems are ll till there.
>
The only solution I came up with in WinFin 3.02 was to just eter straight
siteenh notes in two layers and then manually drag them so they look right
(the payback won't work ight,of course).
Go into speedy note entry and enter 6 sixteenth notes (no rets) in layer 1.
D the sme in layer 2. Then (still in speedy note entry) just click on
each noe and drag it to it' correc place. It will take considerable
fiddling to get it to look right, specially since goinginto pag view will
totally mess up the spacing that you so carefully did inscroll view. Also,
eware of sing the Mass Mover Tool to change your music spacing, since this will totally ruin your anual posiioning.
Not a very good solution--I'll be interested to hear abetter one.
--Brent
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I am here.
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On Sat, 18 Feb 1995, Anthony Chavezwrote:
> I have subcribed to this list for a few days but hae not received anything...
> I am ubscribed to the Digest Is anybody out there?
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Stevewrites:
>I have a problem which I can't seem tofind a solution to in the manual, s
>I would apprciate any suggestions:
>
>In a 6/8 bar a violinhas 12 16th-notes of the same pitch,alternating
between two strings (i.e. stems: 6/8 D(own) U(p) DU D U D U D U D U).
>The composer as asked tht each group of 3 down-stem notes and each group
of three up-stem notes be connected by16th-notebeams. Using separate
>layers, I can connect them,but only with 16th-note stub-beams. Wih
>speial tools, I can change the direction in a single layr giving the
>proper up-stem notes, butthe dwn-stems are all still there.
>
>Surely, there must e a solution - this is standard harp notaion
>
>Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
>
>Steve
Here'show I would do it: Change the meter to 3/6 hide the meter, using
the speedy tool, enter a 32d res, then the six up-stem 16ths. Tell the
prram to "Leave them alone" (because of the extra rest). ide the rest.
Now in Layer 2, enter the dwnstem notes. If this is just in a single
part and othe parts are normal, you may need to use "idepedent items -
time signatures" in the staff attributesfor that part. If the part
continues i the sme manner for many measures, simply copy the first
masure and make whatever adjustments arenecessar. It's querky, but it
will work. HAL Owen
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Please change the string which keps coming up "your mail" as this s a
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Mike
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rom: WORSTER LAWRENCE EDWARD <Lary.Worster@ColoradoEDU>
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On at, 18 Feb 1995, Stephen Ferrewrote:
> I hae a problem which I can't seem to find a solution to i the manual, so
> I would apreciate any sugestions:
>
> In a 6/8 bar a violin has 12 16th-notes f the same pitch, alternatin
> between tw strings (i.e. stems: 6/8 D(own) U(p) D U D U D U D U D ).
> The composer has aske that each grup of 3 down-stem notes and each group
> of three up-stem otes be connected by 16th-ote beams. sing separate
> layers, I can connect them, but only with 16t-note stub-beams.
Stee
I don'tknow if this is better just another way. Use hidden
tuplets. Te adavantage to this metod is thatit doesn't involve
dragging notes in Speedy Entry (rather hard t control the results). he
top otes are 3 sixteenth notes in the space of 3 eighth notes and the
ottom layer works if yu enter sixteenth rest which you hide and
define the first two eighth notesas 2 eighth notes in he spac of four.
Of course you choose "nothing" for the numbers. If you choos to use the
"hide he ress and extend the beams in special tools" method be aware
that you can coy the beam extensios by sing Mass Mover/Move Enty
Items/Stem and Beam Alterations. This may actualy be the easiest mthod
and has the same playback properties as my solution.
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* LarryWorter *
* The Full Measure *
* 610 S. 41st Street *
* Boulder,CO80303 *
* (303) 494-3159 *
* [email protected]
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From: WORSTER LAWRENCE EDWARD <[email protected]>
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Just a comment on Alice Brin Renken's practice of always using
slurs nstea of ies. This is tedious on chords and slows a complex
score's redraw down. I do use slurs insitation in which the ties do
not draw where I want them but find ties to work in 95% of the situains
jst fine.
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i - is anyone out there? I haven't received any Finale group stuff for
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Subject: Early music and CODA
emember my post about theearly musicsamples I'd like to see from you
guys - well, extend that: Sed me ALL the suggestions ad problems tat
you've encountered while transcribing early music in Finle. Nothing is too
trivial!!
I say tat, because I just received this message from our dear frind Jim
Rippie (you know, th undercover agnt) - since I don't think he posted
this message on thelist, I would like to take th opportunity toencourage
all of you to send lots of comments to my email address and I'd be happyto compile them.
Who knows, at some point it might actually be eas to do early music in
Finale :)
>Thomas:
>I appreciate the time and energy it will take t sort through the
>contribution people have on th two issues you outlined (scholarly and
>praticl approaches to early music). Altough we get severalletters each
>year with design recommendation on the issue of early music transription
>alone, it ever hurts to have more input.
>
>I know i will take some effort to compile eeryone's suggestions,but it
>certainly would make an importantcontributions to the Finale Developmnt
>Team's suggestionfile. Would you mind forwarding a summar to me?
>
>If your time doesn't pemit, I very much undersand.
>
>In the meantime, I hope yourwork in the area of early music is rewrding,
>and that Finaleis a constructive ally in your endeaors.
>
>Thanks much,
>Jim Rippie
>Cda Quality Assurance
>><<>><<>><<>><<
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From: [email protected] (Michael O'Conor)
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Subject: Re: Early music and CODA
I woul like Finale to be able to supprt different time signtures on
different staff lines when I'm transribing late medieval polyphony. lso an
easy way to ake incipits would be nice. Ligature brackets sould be able to
be stretched diaonally. That's my ish list.
Mike
>Remember my post about te early music samples I'd like to ee from you
>gus - well, extend that: Send me ALL the suggestion and problems that
>you've encountred while trancribing early music in Finale. Nothing is too
>trvial!!!
>
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Michael O'Connor
[email protected]
Florida State Universiy
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From: [email protected] (Kurt Gnos)
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Subject: Re: What has become of th list?
>Hi - is anyone out there? I haven't received ny Finale group stuff for
>months. Pleaereply.
>
I experienced the same thing - I just subscrbed again, and all's well.
Someone seemsto ave made a mistake that threw out a lot of people...:-(
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From Dave Lorand <[email protected]>
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Subject: So long and thanks ...
Folks,
Thanks for ll the help with Finale over the past fw months. This list
saved me a lot f time and effort, andit was good to have a community of
usersin my mailbox every day.
I'm not oing to be using Finae as much for a while, and I don't really
ave the time to spend reading mail,so I'm going to signoff.
Regards,
Dave Lorand
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When I was using WinFin 3.0 to crank out a lad sheet the other day I
noiced somethingodd about the way the "lyrics" function worked. I had
lready typed in the lead par and now was utting in backup vox. I would
type the lyrics into the sore over the corresponding otes. Then,when I
was done, I would go and work under the "title tool"and add a titles,
subtites and the ike. When I was done with that the backup lyrics that I
had ust typed somehow set theselves to hatever font I was previous using.
It wasn't the whole lyrics. he font change took plac in the mddle of
words. This only happend in the backup lyrics and not th lead lyrics.
WhenI would o something in the "text block" the same thing would happen.
I triedto retype the lyrics bt that id not solve the problem. The
only way I could correct the problem ws to go into "edit lyics" ad
alter the font size accordingly. If anyone has some suggestions or hs
shared this probem I ould like to hear about it. Thanx for your time.
Bill
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From: "Jimmy A. Brown" <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:45:29 ESTSubject: Multi-mvment works
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I planned to notate a ultimovement pio suite this past weekend,
but when I sat down to do it, I could find nothing in the
documentationbout laying out such a score. I don't want to do
each movement as a seperate piece &then collatete pages. I want
one movement to print after another. Can anyone provide
instruction or point o he place in the (Finale 2.0) manual which
I have overlooked?
Jimmy Brown
[email protected]
Acquired Cataloger for Music
University of Georgia, Libraries
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From: [email protected] (Gil Plantinga)
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Sbject: Re: lyrics
>When I was using WinFin 3.0 to crank out a lead sheet the other day I
>otice something odd about the way the "lyrics" function worked. I had
>already typed in the ead prt ad now was putting in backup vox. I would
>type the lyrics into the score over the corrspondin noes. Then, when I
>was done, I would go and work under the "title tool" and add a titls,
>subites and the like. When I was done with that the backup lyrics that I
>had just typed omehow set hmselves to whatever font I was previous using.
>It wasn't the whole lyrics. The fontchange took pce in the middle of
>words. This only happend in the backup lyrics and not the lea lyrics.
>en I would do something in the "text block" the same thing would happen.
>I tried o retype the lyrc but that did not solve the problem. The
>only way I could correct the problemwas to go into "eitlyrics" and
>alter the font size accordingly. If anyone has some suggestionsor has
>shared tis roblem I would like to hear about it. Thanx for your time.
>
>Bill
Thissounds like either our opy of Finale is corrupt or there's a an
unreported bug in the software. Mke sure that the Cod deveopment team is
aware of it! Remember to include a description of your hadware etc.
Gil PlatingaNew Paltz, NY
(914) 255-2775
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Charles H. Shaw)
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From: [email protected] (Edward Plant)
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Subject:rolled chords
Help!
I'm using WinFin 2.0 to wrte a pop song sketch score, andI just finishedentering all my "guitar" chords in the piece, with he wavy line note
expression sybol next to each hord to make it sound like a rolled chord on
MID playback. Now I want to print th score, and I wantthe staff which
contains the chords to be prined in alternate rhythmic slash nottion. But
when I slect that option through the Mass Edit menu, he notes turn to
slashes all right but the rolled chor symbols (wavy lines) appear next to
each lash! Talk about ugly! I can't find way to hide those sybols (I
don't want to delete them, becaue this is a working score right now, nd I
need to hear the still) short of some kind of nutty trik like changing
them into an unprintale font...
Does anyoe have any ideas? Is there something n the manual about this that
I can't fnd (I know how to hide sore expressions on a staff, but notnote
expressions)?
Thanks in advancefor your help,
Edward[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Tomas Schaller)
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Subject: Re: ont offer! You DO want to rea this!
Blake - our HRO!
Something I created with Fontmonger (bcasue it was easy enough to doon my
part) is the wav line for trills. The standard one is fine - bt lots of
the composers I workd for wanted sometime the trill to get slower and
slower. This shoud be transcribed as a kind of moe and more broadene
line.
What I did was just to take the standrd Petrucci symbol and stretched t 3
times, everytime saving it. So now I have 4 different wavy lies that I
can use to create this lowing effect. just have to align them in the
score - which, ifone has spent a lot of time in Finae, isn't toofrustrating - because we're used to it.
So couldyou maybe include at least 2 more stetched wavylines in your new
font?
Thanks
>><<>><<>><<>><
Thomas Schaller
(312) 922-3616
Cicago, IL60605
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Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:09:11 CDT
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From: [email protected]
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To: [email protected]
ubject: Re: Vocal beaming
>>>Do vocalit really need
the help of both slurs and extensions?<<<
Larry,
My wife, a professional singersays she's never seen music without both
slurs and extenions. She says it would be better to usejut slurs. She
would not like to see just extensions. Tat's her vote.
Mike
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From: [email protected]
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Percussion clef
Russ Carver asks:
>> Hi! Does anyone out there knw how I can dit the percussion clef so
that
is doesn't have te top and bottom lines which make i a full rectanle?<<
Blake Hodgetts responds:
>>This is onesymbol I have planned for my font,along with a coule of other
special clefs. Until then, your ony option is to hide clefs on thatstaff
use a
shae expression instead. Ugh!<<
WRONG! Blake, sae the space in your new font - trough the clef desiger,
replace the perc "rectangle" with the realthing - 2 short parallel verticl
lines - in Petrucc type "/" (no quotes) and voila!
John Blane
Blane Music Preparation
Chicgo, IL 60607
(312) 455-100
(312) 455-1162 Fax
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Date: ri, 24 Feb 1995 09:29:20 +0000
Subject: Re: finale/soundblaster drum souds
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>
> Doe anybody out there know how to setthe windows midi control panel
> to ge drum sounds from a sounblaster 16 in finale?
Hi Jeffrey
Drum sounds only work on channel 10. et it up in the Instrumnt List
and don't forget to check th "send patches before play" box under
playback options :-).(I use SoundBlaster Awe 32 bit I think te same
things apply on the whole)
Good luck
RichardIhnatowicz
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Archiv-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 04:04:48 CDT
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From: David G. Horne <davidvirgil.harvard.edu>
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CC: [email protected], [email protected]
I'm not sure if a convention exists for otating trills for guitar. I'm
imagining thatthese are trills with a rapid decay. Sometimes, you miht
want to use a 'special' noation for thes so that the visual look
might correspond more with theaural effect. An example is apizz on cello
or bass after which there is a short gliss. If I understad your trill
notation corretly, I thinkI do it the same way you do. This is common
practice in som European composers, Boulezfor example I prefer doing it
this way, which is quicker I think.
I ceate a small notehead by mking it anarticulation. I then add an
accidental if necessary, and parentesis around the note, plaing the wole
thing slightly to the right of the principle note. Because yo can program
meta-toolsfor thes commands it is pretty fast. Naturally, you will
run into problems f you are transposing alot of nstruments. I don't have
that problem because I prefer doing the tranposed score from scrath anywy.
The reason I prefer this notation to the conventional accidental-aove-the-trill
one is as yu alluded to, because you are not limited to adjacent notes. I
also like t because you can spcifyeasily whether or not the 'trill' begins on
the upper or lower note.
On he subject of trill, cn I just share a method I use for tremolos. This
will probably be something alot of you discoveedway before me, but it has
really helped, and I don't see any mention of it in te manuals. If youhve,
for example, a tremolo between two notes an octave apart lasting for a
wholenote in a 4/4 meure, you're normally going to want to have two
whole notes. There are a number of poblems, and a nber of solutions.
I've probably tried all of them, layers, changing note-shapes etc.The method
wih I've found works best is to use the tuplet tool. Let's take the
whole-note example.After you ceae the first whole note select the tuplet
tool. Specify that you want 16 eighth-notes n the tim of8, then select the
'show nothing' option. If you are using smaller note durations, dottd
quarers tc., it is even simpler, always select 2 in the time of 1. No
doubt, some of you have ben doig thi for ages. I find it the best way to
avoid all the annoying problems with re-spacing, attchig exprssions,
articulations etc. ad nauseam!
David Horne
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Jim Gadner)Repl-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: More Font Suggestions
Blake - wow an offe wecan't refuse, eh?
Well if you haven't used up all your spaces in your custom font aleady,
her ae some suggestions, in no particular order...
i) My hobby-horse - Quarter tone symbls. Get rid fthose useless, ugly
little Petrucci things (option-shift B and shift 4) and replace hem with
the st common 'Tartini' sharps and reverse flats.
If there's still space, how about thee, and the normaaccidentals, with
pitch-inflectional arrows? I think this would cover most non-spcialist
microtonldeviations (obviously there are more specific symbols for
alternate tuning systms - see Marc Saba'srecent postings.
ii) 'Schoenberg' symbols for strong and weak accents (i.e.an angled
staccatotyp wedge and a smiling semicircle respectively) - how abou
Haupstimme and Nebnstimme marks while e'reat it?
crescent shaped 'fingernail' symbols
iii) Notes with truncated eams instead of flowig flas
iv) Harp half pedal symbol - like a reversed Z with a vertical linethrough =
it
v) A square off' fermata symbol
vi) Diamond note head with lower left line mising - for breathy tone r
semiharmonic
vii) Thick 'T' and inverted 'T' symbols, possibly encirced (for heavily
tongueduntongue)
viii) Normal note-head with diagonal line through it and an ecircled x
note head (perussion)
ix) Double and triple tonguing dots
And finally...
Does anyne make a font including te entire Iternational Phonetic Alphabet=
?
If any of my descriptionsare too vague, let me know nd I'll cit some
scores or books which show them.
Ta.
Jim
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From: [email protected] (Debbie Metrustry)
Rely-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Error??!
>Dbbie: Why was it too much troubl to uncheck thre boxes in music
>options and change one number t make the GraceNotes stems align
>properly? This s covered in the readme file included with Graceotes and
>in the Finale manual uder Sonata font. Ill bet you overlooked this
>simple adjustmen. I prefer GraceNotes font for the ote heads (slightly
>larger) and the better selection of othersymbols. With Crescendos it is
>qute a nice font.
Oops, mea culpa.
It was quite some time go, and as I recall at the time I wasworking on
somethingthat had to be finished yesterday, so (yu're quite right) didn't
go through te readme. Now that I ave time, I'll do it properly!
Thanks(& sorry if I wasted your time),
Debbi.
--------------------
Debbie Metrustry
Top Type Music Bueau, Dublin &
Trinity College, Dublin
el&Fax:+353-1-6261409
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From: "Tim Cooer" <[email protected]> (T.Cooper)Reply-To: [email protected],[email protected]
Subject: Re: digest form
>datacis.ksu.edu (Russ Carver) wries:
>> Hi everyone! Is there a digest form of the Finale list avaiable?
>
>Don't I wish! Man, here's a lot of traffi on this list! I don't see one
>in the documens...any way to create one?
>
>/ Arne Eigenfeldt Simon Fraser University [email protected] /
>/ Music Lab Instructor Schol for the Contemporary Arts /
I'd love to seeone as [email protected]
tgc@unbca
Timothy G. Coper
"Take a music bath at least
once a week. I does for the soul
what water doe for the body.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
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From: "Tim Coper" [email protected]> (T.Cooper)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vocal beaming
>O Wed 22 Feb 1995, Harold Owen wrote:
>
>> HOWEVER -- It isno longer standard -- except for a few racionary
>> publishers -- to use flags for each syllable i vocal music. That is an
>> OUTMODED ancumbersome practice. I know I may initiate a bonfire with
>> this statement, but I obviously feel tongly about it. Those who hold to
>> the old practice sould be compelled to sing all the recitaive from all
>> the 18th-century operas and cantatas in ol editions in a single sitting.
>> Thenlet tem see how much easier and more logical it is to let voal music
>> be beamed like instrumentl music Melismas show perfectly clearly with
>> slurs and wth word extensions. HAL OWEN.
>
>Dar Hal,
I hope you do set off a bonfire because I woud like to hear from
>others on the ist. Not beng a vocalist I am neutral on the issue.
>Correct m if I am wrong but I've not seen intrumental beaing applied
>to vocal music published before the mddle of this century. Several
>pulishers with whm I have worked have prefered the cleaner look of>beamed to syllable music withoutthe addition of wrd extensions and
>slurs for melismas to darken he page. Perhaps this is a concen of
>publishers wo want typesetting to appeal to the eye more tha the
>performer. It certainly akes sense to me to idicate melismas with only
>one mark in which cse (assuming instrumental beamng of the vocal line)
which is it, the word extension or the slur, o do vocalists really need
>te help of both slurs and xtensions? Hoping to hear from the rest of
>ou on this one.
>
>Larry Wrster
>The Full Measure
>10 S. 41st Street
>Boulder, CO 80303
>(303 494-3159
>[email protected]
Add me to the lst of those opposed to individual flags forvocal music.
As a choral onductor and composer, I find tat my choirs work better with
melisma andsuch with beams rather thn flags as the accentuation pattens
become very clear, especially in 7/8 eters or such, but even n straight
common time with sixteeth note melisma. On the other hand, theindustry
does not seemto be standardized at all in the use f word extensions OR
slurs to indicatesyllabification. One r the other is sufficient, both
are reundant, messy and time consuming. I'dlove to assume a new"standard practice" of word extensions wih (ah) bracketed words on second
lins of extensions for eminders.
[email protected]
Timothy G. Cooper"Take a music bath at least
once a eek. It does for te soul
what water does for the body."
Olive Wendell Holmes
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>
> >I'm nterested in your comment abou "Guido" ear raining software. I
> >hadn't heard about this product, nd would like to learn more. pparently
>>it is from the University of Maryland. How is it distributd? What does it
> >cost? Whre can I ge more information?
>
> >What I'm looking for is a fairly smple MIDI ear training packge for
> personal -- as opposed to institutional -- use as a supplement o my study
> >of music thory. Migh "Guido" be the ticket, in your opinion?
>
> >Thanks.
> >
> Patrick Bruer
>
> Guio is a P program. It originated at the University of Delaware. The last
I've heard it was beingdistribted by Temporal Acuity. We tried to use it at
> Towson State but ra into a lot of problems The rogram was very tempermenta.
> I attribute the problems mainly to thecopy protection. We fnallygrew tired
> of living with the quirks. (All may have changed, call Temoral Acuity) If
> te coy protection has been removed, it is a good program for ear-training.
>
We have since startd uing a program called ETDrill out of Indiana. Not
> nearly as difficult to st up.
Please tel m more about ETDrill. By "out of Indiana" might you mean
"from the IU School ofMusic"? Where can earn more about the features,
availability, price of this software?
Thanks.
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Fro: "David J. Ros <[email protected]>
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Check out chaning the efaut percussion clef to one using the "/"
keystroke (two vertical parallel lines) in Petrcci.
Davi Ross
Syracuse University
On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Russ Carver wrote:
> Hi! Doesanyoe out here know how I can edit the percussion clef so that
> is doesn't have the top and bottomlies whic make it a full rectangle?
>
> --Russ Carver
>
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From: "Brent Wave" <[email protected]>
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To: Final@SHSUedu
ate: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 8:25:46 EST
Subject: Re: Vocal beaming
>On Thu, 23 Feb 1995,Larry Wrste wrote:
>
> I hope you do set off a bonfire because I would like to hear from
>othes on the ist Not being a vocalist I am neutral on the issue.
>Correct me if I am wrong but I've ot seen insruental beaming applied
>to vocal music published before the middle of this century. everal
>pubihers with whom I have worked have prefered the cleaner look of
>beamed to syllablemusic without t addition of word extensions and
>slurs for melismas to darken the page. Perhaps his is a concern
>publishers who want typesetting to appeal to the eye more than the
>performr. It certainly mae sense to me to indicate melismas with only
>one mark in which case (assuminginstrumental beamin o the vocal line)
>which is it, the word extension or the slur, or do vocalits really need
>th hep of both slurs and extensions? Hoping to hear from the rest of
>you on tis one.
>
As a compser ho's also done a lot of professional singing, both choral and solo, I
mch prefer instrumentalbeamig, and I look first for slurs rather than word
extensions to indicatemelismas. Word extensios are K, I just don't care for them or
look for them. I HATE vocal music hat's beamed to syllable becaus in all but the
simplest metric situations it makes it difficult or the singer (who in mos cases i
still an intelligent musician) to see where the beats are.
Bent Weaver, Asst. Professo of Music
Clayton State College, Morrow, GA
Ph. (404) 961-3625/961-360
[email protected]
(also) [email protected]
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Archie-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:39:32 CDT
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From: WORSTER LAWRENCE EDWARD <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Subjet: Re: More Font Suggestions
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> Does anyone make a font including th entire International Phonetic Alphbet?
I'm not sue who makes it but a client with whom I have orked uses a
font called IPARoman.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:33:25 -0500
From: [email protected]
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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Scripting for Finle
Bob Pilkington writes:
>>Does ayone know if and when CDA will make Finale scriptable? I cn think
of a number of things I'd like t be able to do that is byond QuickKeys.<<
-----
Me to. Since CODA abandoned their plan to make MELs programmable (you cn
see the abandoned dialog boxs in FinMac 2.x using ResEdit) I have beenhoping that Finale would a least be made compatible wit AppleScript. In the
Finale version 1.0 docmentation CODA talks about aking available customized"plug-ins" (like Quark or Illustrator) to enhnce Finale's capabilities
secifically for usergroupssuch as composers, educators, engravers, or
cpyists. That was years ago, ad I don't think Scriptig or Plug-ins are
still in their plan. Would tey be great features? You bet!
Don Rice - Brookly
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Archive-Date: Fr, 24 Feb 1995 08:45:31 CDT
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From: Jay Brian Kummer <[email protected]
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Hi all:
I'm workng on my first attempt at a jazz ban piece inWinFin. I began
with a MIDI file that represented te complete orchestration, and then
ead it nto Finale.
My question is this: will Finale allow m to change the positions of
the noteeads or the various percussion instruments to standard
posiions in the staff while retaining theirgenral MIDI note-mapping (so
when I play the piece in Finae, all the percs sound right)? If not, s
there a trick that I can employ to achieve this effect?
Thanks for your help!
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Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:00:10 CT
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 199 15:00:32 +0000
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From: [email protected] (Debbie Metrutry)
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject Re: Vocal beaming
>As a composer who's lso done a lot of professonal singing, both choral and
>olo, I
>much prefer instrumental beaming and I look first for slrs rather than word
>extensions o indicate melismas. Word extensions are K, I just don't care fo
>them or
>look for them. I HATE ocal music that's beamed to syllables beause in all
>but the
>simplest metric situations it makes t difficult for the singer (who in most
>cases is
>still a intelligent musician) to see where the eats are.
As a choral singer (insemi-professional chirs) I must agree
wholeheartedly with theabove.
Debbie.
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Debbie Metrusty
Top Type Music Bureau, Dublin &
Trinity ollege, Dublin
Tel&Fax:+353-1-626149
[email protected]
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Archive-Date: Fi, 24 Feb 1995 09:03:33 CDT
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 0653:00 pst
From:"Blake Hodgetts" <[email protected]>
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Messag-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re[2]: Voca beaming
>O Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Harold Owen wrote:
>> HOWEVER --It is no longer standard -- excpt for a few eactionary
>> publishers -- to use flags for each syllale in vocal music. That is an
>> OUTMODEDand cumbersome practice. I know I may initiate a bonfire ith
>> this statement, but Iobviously fel strongly about it. Those who hold to
>> the old practic should be compelled to singall the reitatives from all
>> the 18th-century operas and cantatas in ld editions in a single siting.
>> hen let them see how much easier and more logical it is to let vcal music
>> be beamed lie instruental music. Melismas show perfectly clearly with
>> slurs and wth word extensions. HAL WEN.
>Dear Hal,
> I hope you do set off a bonfire because I would like t hear from
>others on he lis. Not being a vocalist I am neutral on the issue.
>Correct me if I a wrong but I've not see instumental beaming applied
>to vocal music published before the middle ofthis century. Several
>pulishers with whom I have worked have prefered the cleaner look of
>beame to syllable music wihou the addition of word extensions and
>slurs for melismas to darken the pag. Perhaps this is a onern of
>publishers who want typesetting to appeal to the eye more than the >performer. It certily makes sense to me to indicate melismas with only
>one mark in which case (asuming instrumentabeaming of the vocal line)
>which is it, the word extension or the slur, or do vcalists really ne
>the help of both slurs and extensions? Hoping to hear from the rest of
>you o this one.
Lry and list:
As a singer, composer, and copyist, I must agree with Hal on this one I find
thetrdition of beaming to lyrics to be one of the most beknighted ideas ever.
I have NEVR seen a scre ith this feature that would not have been easier to
read with instrumental beaming. believe hat he primary function of musical
notation should be to communicate to the performer as learly s posible, and
this communication is obscured by beaming to lyrics.
As far as indicatin melimas wih slur or word extension: I tend to use both,
being mainly guided by tradition in this ase insofa as it does not detract
from readability. If I were to dispense with one or the other, Iwuld certinly
remove the slur and retain the extension; the extension guides the singer's eye
famore tha does the slur, I believe. The exception would be in short melismas
(i.e., two notes), wenclose txt setting may not allow for much of an
extension. In these cases, the slur is more useul.
As fr instrumental beaming for vocal music not extending back earlier than the
mid-twentieh centry, Ibelieve you are correct. It is an idea whose time has
been far too long in coming.
--blake
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From: [email protected] Mak D. Henderson)
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Subjec: input "mouse" optios
I know a thread ran through here recently, but I lost part of it due to
rrors on the part of te mal server. What are you people using for
"mouse" alternatives? I know seeral people here that ue trakballs, but
they seem so clumsy to me. How long does it take to get ued to using one.
(recomend a rand?) or how about drawing tablets? I appreciate your
"input".
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Mark D.Henderson //.."it don't mean a thing
[email protected] // if it ain't got tht swing"Universtiy of Minnesota -Due Ellington
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Archive-Dae: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:09:45 CT
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:07:20 -080 (PST)
From: LAMONT DOWNS <[email protected]
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Trills
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On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Davd G. Horne wrote:
>
> On the suject of trills, an I just share a method I use for tremolos. Thi
> will probably be something a lo of you discovere way before me, but it has
> really helped, ad I don't see any mention of it in te manuals. If you ave,
> for example, a tremolo between two ntes an octave apart lasting for a
> hole note in a 4/4 easure, you're normally going to want to hve two
> whole notes. There are a numer of problems, and number of solutions.
> I've probably tied all of them, layers, changing note-hapes etc. The method
> which I've found works best is to ue the tuplet tool. Let's take the
> whoe-note example. After ou create the first whole note selec the tuplet
> tool. Specify that you wat 16 eighth-notes in th time of 8, then select the
> 'shw nothing' option. If you are using smalle note durations, dotted> quarters etc., it is even simper, always select 2 in the time of 1. No
>doubt, some of you have ben doing this for ages. I findit the best way to
> avoid all the annoyingproblems with re-spacing, ttaching expressions,
> artculations etc. ad nauseam!
If I can also sow my ignorance of what othrs have probably been doin
for years, I found the tuplet tool to be invluable when two parts
are ntated on one stave and oe of the parts contains a whole rest (in
a metr other than 4/4, 2/2, etc.).In 2/4, for example, i one of the parts
contains a whole rest and youapply note spacing, the measur gets badly
distortd. I created a tuplet metatool of 8 eighths in th space of four
with "nothing",and apply it to th whole rest. Voila! The measure spaces
correctly.
Terribly obvious once you do t, but it took m a while to catch on and
hopefully this will save omeone else some wasted time.
-Lamont Downs[email protected]
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Date: Fri, 24 eb 1995 0713:05 -0800 (PST)
From: LAMONT DOWNS <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: More Font Suggestios
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On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Jim Gardner wrote:
> Well if you haen't used up all your spaces in your cuto font already,
> here are some suggestions, in no particuar order...
>
> iii) Notes with trunced beams instead of flowing flags
>
You might want to unt up a font called Boulez for this. I tink_ it's
freeware, and was recently discussed on the Cod forum on CI$. I'll
keep an eye out fo moe information; as I recall it was available in
both Mac nd Windows Truetype versions.
Lamon Down
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Thomas Schaller)
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Subject: Re: Vocal beaming
>>>>Dovocalists really need
>the helpof both slurs ad extensions?<<<
>
>Larry,
>
>My wife, a profesional singer, says she's never sen music without oth
>slurs and extensions. She says it would be etter to use just slurs. She
would not like to se just extensions. That's her vote.
>
>Mike
I used to sing professionally efore I started engraing - another sad story :-)
and I could go withut the slurs, but I insist ofhaving the extensions.So there!! Now we're stuck! :-)
>><<>><<>><<><<
Thomas Schaller
(312) 22-3616
Chicago, IL 6060
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Archive-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:49:55 CDTSender: [email protected]
From: "Onaga, Tyson" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
To: "'Fiale'" <[email protected]>
Subjec: Vocal Beaming
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 07:4900 PST
Message-ID: <2F4FFFA@felix>
> Brent writes:> As a composer who's also done a lot of pofessional singing, bot choral
and
> solo, I much prefe instrumental beaming, and I look first fr slurs
rather than> word extensions to indicate melisma. Word extensions are OK, I just don't
> care for them or ook for them. I HATE vocal music that'sbeamed to
> syllables because in all bt the simplest metri situations it makes it
difficult
> fo the singer (who in most cases is stil an intelligent muscian) to see
where
> the beats are.
Inormally just read the (enormous amout of) mail on thisdigest, but I
decided
to throw my 2 cents n. I would have to agree with Brenton this one. Werecently did Cantique de Noel (O Holy Night) baed on Mannheim Steamroller's
A Freh Aire Christmas I added SATB choir. The vocals are in 6/8 with
some 2s-against-3s rhythm. I cant image what itwould look like if the
notes
were beamed to syllbles rather than to the normal 6/ [8th-8th-8th,
8th-8th-8th]
notation. Especially when some partsare in [8th-8th, 8th-8th-8th] or
something
ike that. Yuck.
Tyson
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