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Internet Marketing Digest 0416


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Digest #0416

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In this digest:
Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd (Norman Barth <[email protected]>)
RE: Comparison shopping with the Web ([email protected] (Peter Arguelles ))
Re: Linking to Competitors ([email protected] (Peter Arguelles ))
Re: Music on the Web ([email protected] (Gerry McGovern))
Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd (Kevin Littlejohn
<darius@reverie.interworld.com.au>)
Re: Comparison shopping with the Web (Peter Small <[email protected]>)
Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd (Matthew James Marnell
<[email protected]>)
SSL challange -- no big deal ([email protected] (Ernest Priestly))
Incredible! Guess who made the top 50 Web site list. (Richard Seltzer
<[email protected]>)
Re: Incredible! Guess who made the top 50 Web site list. (Glenn Fleishman
<[email protected]>)
Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd (Dave Andersen <[email protected]>)
Re:Pricing Web Links ([email protected] (Paul S. Hoffmann))
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Date: 17 Aug 1995 19:21:18 -0700
From: Norman Barth <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd)

>At 2:32 PM 8/17/95, Eric S. Theise wrote:
> concludes:
> ...Don't trust your credit card number to this [SSL] protocol.

>Glen Fleishman wrote:
>yeah, and don't order stuff over the phone. And don't email you credit card
>number. And don't ever write it down. And don't think about it, either; a
>mental sniffer will steal it.

> Duncan V Essex wrote:
> are we to believe that the average hacker has access to over 100
> workstations and a couple of super-computers and the patience [...]
> If anything, doesn't this prove the level of protection SSL actually
> affords ? [...]
> Please feel free to put me straight if I am off-base.

I don't think people need protection against the average hacker.
They are not the threat. Its the exceptional hackers who are
the threat - people who have the knowledge, and resources. Its
easy to find people with both. I'm sure organized crime, or the
drug lords could put together a group easily.

Furthermore, if it took 15 days to crack this one encrypted credit
card number, using simple brute force techniques, then next year
it will take less than half that time (for the same level of
encryption). Now add a bit or optimization, and reduce it by
another factor of 2 - we're now down to cracking a card number
in 3 to 4 days.

If I can earn - say $2000 every 4 days on average, then it sounds like
an interesting proposition. If a couple hundred or thousand people
out there feel the same way, then I suspect that there is a
potential problem.

It sounds to me like better encryption is needed.

- Norman

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Norman Barth (619).534.8087 (office)
Scripps Institution of Oceanography 534.8561 (fax)
Climate Research Division, Mail Code A024 [email protected] (internet)
La Jolla, CA 92093-0224, USA http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~norman (url)
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Date: 17 Aug 1995 19:21:50 -0700
From: [email protected] (Peter Arguelles )
Subject: RE: Comparison shopping with the Web

Comparison shopping is time consuming everywhere, be it in a magazine,
on the web, on usenet, or in a newspaper. All in all I think it is
easier on the net, but there is less selection (yes, less selection).

IMO comparison shopping is done by those with more time than money and
convenience shopping by those in the reverse situation. On the web you
can satisfy both kinds of customer. Make your site sexy (by the
advertising definition), have depth of info, have breadth of product,
have reasonable or low prices and an eeeeasy way to purchase fast!

Have I missed anything? Oh yea, tell them where you are.

As to those of you scoffing at selling "commodities" on the net:
Take a look at my site and see how it's done (soon with secure c.c.
server). I do it just like Walmart. Buy a lot, sell it lower than the
next guy. Telling them where to find you is always going to be the hard
part. No one's ever heard of *Xebec Corporation* so when Walmart does
join in the fray, I better have my heels dug in.

As Mary mentioned watch in 6-12 months when the universe changes again
and Michael Jordan is pitching the Hanes underwear website on national
TV. ESPN's hits will look paltry in comparison. Can I afford even
fifteen seconds of national TV...?

I don't want to talk about it any more.

~Pete
- --
= \== /== ____/ __ \== ___/ ___/=== 1-800-429-0123 [email protected]
== \ /== /==== __/ /= /=== /====== ISO 9002 Quality Certified Ribbons
=== == ___/= ___ <= __/= /====== Voice 310-827-0123 Fax 310-305-8185
== / \ /==== ___/ / /=== \===== FREE SHIPPING IN USA ON ALL RIBBONS!
=_/==_\___/______/____/=\____/= website: http://www.servint.com/Xebec
X E B E C C O R P O R A T I O N * Laser Toners * Ribbons * Inkjets *

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Date: 17 Aug 1995 20:35:06 -0700
From: [email protected] (Peter Arguelles )
Subject: Re: Linking to Competitors

I wrote:

>>I have a decent site; my content is pithy, if terse; and my pricing
>>kicks ass. Links to the few competitors I've seen would reveal my
>>site as perhaps more replete.
>>*But why lose the prospect when he's already in your lair?*

Josh Reynolds ([email protected]) writes:

> You will if you don't also offer them some *visceral sizzle*.
> In cyberia where we all have WADD (web attention deficit
> disorder) presentation that triggers an emotional response is
> most likely to hold 'em at your site.

This is sound advice from a man who obviously knows what he's taking
about (my eyes shift nervously to the Thigh Master gathering dust in
the corner).

> From our perspective 99% of the effort is to give 'em quality
> & depth while they're there in hopes they'll come back.

Gosh, Josh, why did they leave before purchasing? My site is about
ribbons & toners - not exactly sexy. I don't care to offend anyone,
myself included, with photos of young ladies displaying my wares (along
with theirs).

I sell inkjets, toners & ribbons, cheap! Real cheap! When someone buys
from me, they never set foot in a Staples again (Yea, I wish). The way
to make a buck on the web is to make 1/2 a buck and sell twice as much.
The depth you mention is product assortment. I will add pictures and
diagrams and spec. sheets and employee photos eventually, but for right
now I have an entire warehouse of product to add to my website.

Links to one's page are IMHO an absolute necessity. Links from one's
page make people happy, and that's okay by me. I have an entire page
called Reseller's Resource Center, 21723 bytes of links and growing,
but not one link to a competitor. They have nothing to say to *my*
customers (not lower prices, not larger selection, not nicer html).

BTW, Thank you Josh for supporting this fine list of folks with
BrainTainment Center's sponsorship <http:/world.brain.com>. I am in
line to follow suit. My sponsorship will appear as soon as my page is
complete. I suggest others get in line soon (behind me) to become a
sponsor as the spaces are filling up...

> What could be more equitable than paying your link provider a
> % of sales from leads that originated from their site?

This is how I view advertising as well. I've sold a lot of ad space in
my time, and from that vantage I hated this idea. Now the foot is in
the other shoe and I like the idea, but I won't be expecting the
solicitations to clog my email box. I am willing to commit to the above
if anyone has a logical (and busy) site. I am also open to link
exchanges, just let me know...

Sorry for the lenthly rant,

~Pete
- --
= \== /== ____/ __ \== ___/ ___/=== 1-800-429-0123 [email protected]
== \ /== /==== __/ /= /=== /====== ISO 9002 Quality Certified Ribbons
=== == ___/= ___ <= __/= /====== Voice 310-827-0123 Fax 310-305-8185
== / \ /==== ___/ / /=== \===== FREE SHIPPING IN USA ON ALL RIBBONS!
=_/==_\___/______/____/=\____/= website: http://www.servint.com/Xebec
X E B E C C O R P O R A T I O N * Laser Toners * Ribbons * Inkjets *

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 07:40:24 -0700
From: [email protected] (Gerry McGovern)
Subject: Re: Music on the Web

Here's a list of Web pages which should be of interest to those wondering
how the Web will affect the music industry

Andersen Consulting's Web page for BargainFinder:
http://bf.cstar.ac.com/bf/

HOMR Web page:
http://homr.www.media.mit.edu/

The Similarities Engine Web page:
http://www.webcom.com/~se

Voyager's Web page:
http://www.voyagerco.com/cdlink/cdlink.html

BargainFinder should be of particular interest to those exploring the
comparison shopping concept. With BargainFinder, you put in the name of the
artist and album, then it goes off and gets prices for you from about seven
stores.

I think this sort of intelligent agent could have a major impact on how
things are bought and sold. You may well see 'stores' which have no layout
or design but are just databases which can respond to information requests
from agents.

HOMR and The Similarities Engine are also intelligent agents. However, what
they attempt to do is figure what you might like from analysing what you
like now. With The Similarities Engine you input your five favourite
albums, then a while later you get an email with about 50 album
recommendations. It's not perfect, but it's not at all bad, either.

Voyager's CDLink is a kind of CD-ROM/Internet hyprid approach for getting
around bandwidth problems. If you own the album reviewed, you place it in
your CD ROM drive. Then, when the reviewer says: 'Listen to that guitar
riff,' you click and the software locates the riff on the CD and plays it.
This may sound a bit like the cart before the horse, but if the reviewer
has a good deep knowledge of the music, it can help you reach into the
music more. (Good for students of music too.)

I've no links with any of the above companies. (I'm a music journalist,
among other things.)

All the best

Gerry

_____________________________________________________________________________
Gerry McGovern, 6 Blessington Street, Dublin 7, Ireland
Tel: 353 1 830 7258 Fax: 353 1 830 1354

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 07:56:56 -0700
From: Kevin Littlejohn <darius@reverie.interworld.com.au>
Subject: Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd)

> Thanks for letting us know about Damien Doligez's splendid work on the
> 40-bit encryption scheme. But are we to believe that the average hacker has
> access to over 100 workstations and a couple of super-computers and the
> patience to spend several days to retrieve a credit card number from a
> secure SSL session ?

Ummmmm.......

Given that the "average" hacker (actually, that's cracker... hackers have
nothing to do with breaking systems, they are people who know systems well
enough to "hack" you a program to do what you want quick :) is a university
student, or can crack a university system, then yes, I'd say they probably
would have access to a reasonable amount of fire-power....

As far as patience, true enough, but when you've got nothing better to do (and
in fact can run a crack like this in the background and do other things anyway),
then why not?

Ok, so I've got a credit card number.... plus your purchasing record, plus any
private correspondence you may have had over that time, which may or may not
include sending information to branch offices, or deals with other companies.
Plus another password of yours (and of course, everyone on this list uses a
completely unrelated password on each service they use, right? And you can
trust that everyone else sharing your Access Provider/Office are as
conscientious/technology literate as yourselves... :)

This information is not flowing over the net at the moment (at least, not to a
great extent) because we don't have access to decent cryptography on a large
scale. To argue that this result is a proof of anything other than that we
need to be able to employ stronger cryptography where we wish to would be
absurd and self-defeating. Do you normally pass laws to restrict yourself to
only what you think you might need, when you don't gain anything from not
passing the law at all?

Personally, I would like to be able to offer secure communications to my
clients, without having to explain to them, when they read a report like this,
that no, I'm not allowed to make their communications any more secure....
why not?

KevinL
(a bemused techie, who agrees that the current crypto is moderately secure,
but doesn't see a reason to pass a law restricting to this on that basis.)

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 07:58:28 -0700
From: Peter Small <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Comparison shopping with the Web

Paul "the soarING" Siegel, [email protected] wrote:

>Let me say one more thing. The way to get along on the Internet - I
>don't care what you want to use it for - is by cooperation.
>Competition will get you nowehere. Competition was the essence of the
>old Industrial Society. Cooperation is the way to go in the new
>Learning Society.

Ooooooh!

Sorry Paul,

I just have to jump in here and correct this view point. Competition and
cooperation are not opposing strategies.

In terms of game theory, the Industrial Society is a competitive game of
competing for cooperation.

The Web is going to be the same. As the number of Web sites increase there
is going to be increasing competition to attract and secure cooperation in
all of its various forms.

The offering up free goodies on Web sites is not quite the altruistic act
it might appear at first sight - it is more likely to be the opening moves
in a strategic game to compete for cooperation.

Remember, most businesses are non zero sum games where all parties in
transactions benefit - in this sense suppliers and customer are
cooperaters.

Unless you can wrap your mind around these concepts you are going to end up
dead on the Web.

Peter Small

Author - CD-ROM "How God Makes God"

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 07:59:04 -0700
From: Matthew James Marnell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd)

} From: Norman Barth <[email protected]>
}
} I don't think people need protection against the average hacker.
} They are not the threat. Its the exceptional hackers who are
} the threat - people who have the knowledge, and resources. Its
} easy to find people with both. I'm sure organized crime, or the
} drug lords could put together a group easily.

A group doesn't even have to be that organized. Just get a couple
real hackers together, have them pool their resources (money gotten
from regular hacking), pull a couple IP spoofs of popular, or even
not so popular, but loud about taking credit cards, sites and maybe
a little packet sniffing. Write some RPC code for the DEC Alphas these
guys bought with their pooled resources and what have you got?
$Money$. This added to the fact that more and more people are sending
more and more card #'s around....

} Furthermore, if it took 15 days to crack this one encrypted credit
} card number, using simple brute force techniques, then next year
} it will take less than half that time (for the same level of
} encryption). Now add a bit or optimization, and reduce it by
} another factor of 2 - we're now down to cracking a card number
} in 3 to 4 days.

} If I can earn - say $2000 every 4 days on average, then it sounds like
} an interesting proposition. If a couple hundred or thousand people
} out there feel the same way, then I suspect that there is a
} potential problem.
}
} It sounds to me like better encryption is needed.

Ah, but folks, this ain't but the half of it. We know that everyone on
the list is good about CC#'s, but there are quite a few that aren't and
they most likely outnumber those that are. Take the Australian firm that
had their user info online such as CC's, addresses, passwords...all
hacked. Take for another instance a firm in Texas recently. Happens
to be in competition with a client of mine. Had all their CC#'s online.
Yep, you got it, hacked also. This time the culprit, not a great hacker,
but good enough, used the cards to make purchases. Pity that he was too
dumb to not have everything sent to his home. Lotta P.O.ed people down
there. Let's also take all the people that are claiming that they run
a secure ship, when in all actuality, they're running NCSA and claiming
more than that. These people get hacked.

After enough of this, you're going to have a harder and harder time
selling your security, because how many clients know enough right off the
bat to make decisions like this. I'm running at about 10%. And all
these companies that want to put every single bloody computer on their
LAN on the Internet? I have 3 right now that I'm trying to talk some
sense into. There isn't a need for it, it can actually be very counter
productive, and can increase your risk by untold factors. Everyone
is saying firewalls, and yet I've seen several situtations where it
did no good. Not because of the system, but because of all the green
rank newbies that are telling everyone they can do it, when they can't.

For the person that sees just about everything being done by WWW a short
15 years down the road. How much do you get out to the policy sections
of the Internet where routing is discussed, or the little wars that are
brewing about domain names, where the address space is going, the amount
of money for renumbering when IPv6 comes out. Routers about to keal over
all over the place as loads increase, and the memory on the current routers
isn't enough. Metering is the great green monster that everyone is fearing,
lawsuits abound. Gloom and Doom, Death of the Internet around the corner,
film@11.

The next couple to five years can be the life and death of the Internet.
Rigth now, many things are coming to a head. The Internet is being
pushed harder and faster than ever before. Machines are falling over.
At least one of the major backbones will fall, another will take it's
place, those moving back and forth will overload the other BBone's.
Someone will institute a packet meter, and will most likely fail, but
also cause more problems than they're worth. The people left standing
will be the ones that kept their nose the cleanest. But, then of course,
the people that have been setting up a parallel and better structured
Internet will unvail their offering. It works with the same software
you already use to access the Internet, only better. And of course
there will be people like B.G. who want to take your pie away.

I wish there were some stats on the number of people who've jumped
on in the last couple years, who would have loved the Internet had
they known about it 5 years ago, but can't stand it now. The number
of disenchanted people that aren't on the Internet are ever increasing.
I know someone who does novelty printing that got a substantial order
for "The Internet, been there, done that, no biggy" kinda stuff. The
person who ordered it said that they were selling these things left
and right.

I'm an optimist when it comes to the Internet, and I only give it 5 years.
Now, I'm no Nostrodamus, but someone, maybe M$, maybe Equifax, maybe AT&T,
maybe IBM (well, isn't that a bit of a joke nowadays) will come up with
something even better and less disorganized than the Internet.

The Internet is here, it's cool, it's a mess if you really step back
and look at it. The people that are putting the most into infrastructure
are backstabbing each other left and right, have a tendancy to try to
ring the most money they can out of something, and don't tend to get along
too well when it comes to standardizing on something.

I'll be on the Internet 15 years down the road in whatever incarnation
it happens to take, whether it be like CB radio, or purchased and
repurchased and owned by the select few. I'll also be on whatever
bigger and better hyperspace that replace the current cyberspace.

Matt
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Matt Marnell Portia Communication & Internet Services
CEO/CIO Inet Consulting, Training, Info Services
[email protected] Web Authoring and Unix Consulting and Admin
http://www.portia.com v: (513)435-6534 f: (513)435-6643

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 08:48:31 -0700
From: [email protected] (Ernest Priestly)
Subject: SSL challange -- no big deal

It's been no big secret that the SSL encryption in the 40 bit form can be
broken. It's been done before if you can see both ends of the conversation
over the net. What is interesting though is the following:

Netscape supplies the 40 bit encryption for it's Navigator for downloads so
that NSA won't mind. But here is what is interesting:

1.Netscape's Navigator Personal Edition you can buy at the store only ships
with 40 bit encryption even though the operators on the phone say it supports
full encryption or triple DES.

2. Netcape sales operators also say that the commercial version of the Navigator
with out the Winsock and other extra comes with 128 bit encryption, not for
export of course.

So it seems that moral of the story is use the full blown commercial version
of Navigator if you want your credit card to stay secure. At 128 bits its
3.1x10**24 more difficult to break it.

The Internet Factory

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 09:02:35 -0700
From: Richard Seltzer <[email protected]>
Subject: Incredible! Guess who made the top 50 Web site list.

I thought you might find this news amusing.

My little Web site -- operated in my spare time, on 10 Mbytes of free
disk space that I get with on SLIP account on TIAC -- just made the
Top 50 list, as one of the best web sites in the world.

Check the September issue of NetGuide (a CMP publication).
It just hit the news stands.

The cover story is "The Ultimate Hot list -- the 50 Best Places to
Go Online." "The 50 Best Web Sites"

On p. 52, it reads --

What: B&R Samizdat Express

Where: http://www.tiac.net/users/samizdat

Why: Time's Pathfinder site (httpP//www.pathfinder.com/) demonstrates
why the megalith media companies will remain influential. This sites is
the Web home of B&R Samizdat Express, an e-mail newsletter that points to
many of the more idealistic efforts that flourish on the net even as
jazzier commercial areas proliferate. Here you'll find pointers to new
e-texts available by FTP, gopher, WWW and listserv at such sources as
The Gutenberg Project (http://jg.cso.uiuc.edu/pg_home.html) and Columia
University's Project Bartleby (http://www.columbia.edu/~svl2). There
are also references to sites devoted to the blind and disabled and an
archive of back issues of B&R Samizdat Express, with links to all the
sites mentioned.

Wonk Factor: Richard Seltzer, the newsletter's creator, realizes that
not everyone has full access to cyberspace, so he has put classics such
as The Red Badge of Courage on floppy disks that can be purchased for
$10. He encourages copying.

Wow Factor: More literature can be accessed from these 10 megabytes
of server space than our great-grandfathers were likely to find in
a lifetime.

*******************

Among the other sites mentioned:
Yahoo
SiFi Channel
Global Network Navigator
ESPN
MIT's Media Lab

While the article says "50" in the headline, only 25 sites are described.

This honor came as quite a shock. Not only do I operate this on
minimal free Web space, but also I have no graphics at all. This is
an all-text, all-content Web site. And I do the html conversion using
free software (Microsoft's Internet Assistant).

And we're competing with the likes of Disney, Time, Britannica -- all the
major media and publishing companies in the world. It's good that the
little guys can still get recognition on the Internet.

(It's going to take me a while to get over the shock.)

Best wishes.

Richard Seltzer
[email protected] or [email protected]

PPS -- The no graphics is not a matter of principle, but rather of necessity.
I run this on a shoestring because a shoestring is all I have. If I could
get hold of a good scanner, I could put it to good use. Any suggestions?

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 09:05:08 -0700
From: Glenn Fleishman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Incredible! Guess who made the top 50 Web site list.

At 8:12 AM 8/18/95, Richard Seltzer wrote:

>My little Web site -- operated in my spare time, on 10 Mbytes of free
>disk space that I get with on SLIP account on TIAC -- just made the
>Top 50 list, as one of the best web sites in the world.

Your humble moderator's client Faucet Outlet also made the top 25 (50?) --
because it has "the kitchen sink factor." You can now make the punchline to
the "Wow, the Internet has everything but the kitchen sink!" We think
that's why NetGuide included it.

I also wondered why there were only 25.

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 11:17:33 -0700
From: Dave Andersen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: SSL challenge -- broken ! (fwd)

Lo and behold, Internet Marketing discussion list once said:

> enough to "hack" you a program to do what you want quick :) is a university
> student, or can crack a university system, then yes, I'd say they probably
> would have access to a reasonable amount of fire-power....
>
> Ok, so I've got a credit card number.... plus your purchasing record, plus any
> private correspondence you may have had over that time, which may or may not

... [deleted]

Someone earlier mentioned some horror stories of supposedly secure
servers being hacked, and I think they have an excellent point. Sure,
maybe a couple of groups are going to have this kind of firepower. So
what? Suppose they're _really_ good and can together crack a maximum of
10 credit cards per day. Compare this to the lazy internet provider who
stores the credit cards of 500 or 2000 customers online and gets hacked.
Think of the tens of thousands of Netcom subscribers whose credit cards
were snagged. For that matter, think about someone dishonest at a
department store who steals (you guessed it) 10 credit cards per day.
Considering all that, it's not a significant breach at _all_ if some
cracker can grab a credit card now and then via a brute-force attack
against SSL. There are so many other ways to do it that it's ridiculous.

> Personally, I would like to be able to offer secure communications to my
> clients, without having to explain to them, when they read a report like this,
> that no, I'm not allowed to make their communications any more secure....
> why not?

I agree completley. I'd like to see the US Import restrictions
relaxed as far as cryptography goes. (And most software, frankly).

-David Andersen

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Date: 18 Aug 1995 11:19:48 -0700
From: [email protected] (Paul S. Hoffmann)
Subject: Re:Pricing Web Links

Ted Haynes wrote in response to Cliff Kurtzman regarding charging for web
links. I believe that the pricing model for this web dilema will follow a
more generic one that I see developing in the web world. That is that
services offered on the web will follow a "free-plus" pricing model. As
everyone is well aware, most of the services offered on the web are free to
users. One of the reasons this is so is that when someone tries to charge
for a web service for which there is a reasonable (and free) substitute,
the company that is charging usually finds they have to drop the charge.
It is from that basic logic that I draw my anything but rocket science
conclusion that in order to charge for something on the web, you have to
differentiate it from the wide array of similar services that can be
obtained elsewhere. So, everything starts out for free and you can only
add price to the equation when you have developed a combination of value
and uniqueness that covers the price you are charging.

By now you might ask, what does this have to do with web links. Well, at
the risk of simplfying a worthy and interesting issue, I believe that web
link charging can be implemented when you offer value and uniqueness to the
links. Anyone can create a standard hyper-link. What companies will pay
for is prime location, larger fonts, graphic links, links with key terms
(i.e. searching a site for a word puts you on a page with a link to a
company that sells something to do with this word), or links on key pages
(i.e. the front page) to name a few. Pricing for these links can then be
developed around the value-added model that you chose to offer. For
example, a small graphic link costs $100, a medium sized link costs $200,
and a large link costs $300.

Anyway, some thoughts on the subject.

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